CANADA’S HEALTHCARE DISASTER- Could become USA's

This is a great article from DickMorris.com which discusses the long waits in the Canadian System, the doctors that are leaving the system, and the unions negative influence on healthcare in Canada. Looks like this is what we have to look forward to if this mess passes.

Source - Big DickMorris.com

I always here the Canadians talk about their great healthcare. I guess they like waiting way more than Americans do, either that or they will take any old crappy healthsystem as long as they THINK it is free.

Dick Morris is the genius behind Bill Clinton's move to the center back in the 90's.

Personally i have on problem with the Canadian system. Then again, i haven't been to a hospital in over 6 years.

reply to post by HotSauce


Dick Morris is a paid political consultant. Have you asked any canadians how they feel about their failing system lately?

Don't worry, they'll be along shortly.

reply to post by Seiko


LMAO, I am hoping. I tried to word it to get them on the defensive. I expect Johnny Canuck to arrive any minute from a dead sleep to set me straight on my foolish American thinking and give me a good lesson on how Canada has the best of everything on the planet. Cannot wait.

[edit on 11-11-2009 by HotSauce]

lol, instigator.

Well the waits in Canada are pretty horrendous , but thats if you are going in for something minor not considered emergency, at least that is what the health authorties tell us. Howeve my Mom went in last year to the ER and yes we waited like 8 hours before seeing a doctor. They were stunned that she waited so long as were we.She had c-diff, so yeah she could have died. She was in the hospital for 3 weeks thereafter. So yes the waiting sucks but my parents did not pay a dime so in escencse it is free. I can't even imagine what the cost would be if they would have had to pay for the treatment. To be honest both Canadian and American systems are really broken.

Side note..can't we just be friends....lol.

I don't mind the way health care is here. But then again, I have nothing to compare it to as I've never lived anywhere else or needed to see a doctor anywhere else. The waits are long, and waiting for an appointment can take a long time, too. I wouldn't say health care here is "free", you do have to pay for it. We get a bill every three months, and if you don't pay that, it's taken off your tax return. And if you don't pay your taxes, you can be refused service if you go to the hospital or need health care. If you can prove you are low income, I believe you don't have to pay as much. It's not really that big of a deal. At least it doesn't have to depend on your job.

I cant even imagine the extra stress i would have if i needed to worry about how i was going to pay for my health care.

In the last year I have had every test known to man performed from MRI, Ultrasound and yes even digital Multitude of blood tests etc

I saw specialists ranging from MS Doctor, urologist, inner ear surgeon, sleep clinic.....and had to pay a whopping 60$ a month for my Nazi membership.

You do need to be pro active and very selective to find good doctors that don't treat you like just another number. But thats an inconvenience i can live with. Should always take a hands on approach to health anyway.

Now i will probably be told to mind my own Canadian business.

Yours truly....Johny Canuck

Originally posted by HotSauce
reply to post by Seiko

 

LMAO, I am hoping. I tried to word it to get them on the defensive. I expect Johnny Canuck to arrive any minute from a dead sleep to set me straight on my foolish American thinking and give me a good lesson on how Canada has the best of everything on the planet. Cannot wait.

[edit on 11-11-2009 by HotSauce]

I was going to play the part of 'Johnny Canuck', but seeing as to how this is planned on, I won't even touch the elitest author........



PS- we KNOW it isn't free......

reply to post by The Great Day


LOL, thanks for sharng. I woouldnt tell you to mind your own business unless you went all wild on me or someting.

reply to post by hhcore


cmon.. I need a little Johnny abuse before I head off to bed. Just tell me how Americans don't know anythng and we are stupid for the wars and not wanting to socialize like you guys... Tell me I am an idiot or something.

Thanks for posting by the way.

reply to post by HotSauce


Uh... lol....

Someone sounds a lil bitter to the us harmless canadians up here... If you have any outstanding issues... im here if you wanna get something off your chest...

Back on track... I think it depends where you live, I had to have my appendix out when I was lil guy, and i didnt have to wait a minute. My cousin just had her newborn baby the other day, no wait either.... But my uncle who lives in Vancouver has waited 4 months to get his leg surgery because its not 'urgent'. So he keeps getting pushed down the list..

Theres flaws in everything. Sure we pay extra taxes to have 'luxeries' such as free health care, but it also pays for lower tuition fees, Ive been getting free chriropactor appointments... I could go for some free dental but i dont wanna be greedy or anything..

oh and.... uh... your a..... idi......... heh i cant do it sorry...

I'll give you some. I'm near 40 and have lived back and forth between US/Canada all my life and have been hospitalized in both countries and treated for various things throughout my life.

I am a dual citizen of the US and Canada and pledge allegiance to both but you are completely foolish and gullible if you believe that crap being shoved down your throat about the CDN health care being bad. This material comes from those that wish to keep things all screwed up the way they are now.

It's the US system that is completely screwed up. Bankruptcies, death, suffering, homelessness and sadness are part of the American health system not Canada. Argument over.

The reason some people in Canada have to wait is often because of where they choose to live. Some people in this huge country need to travel or wait for specialists to come to where they are way out in the sticks. Absolutely nothing is wrong with Canada health care.
There are a billion things wrong with America's.

[edit on 12-11-2009 by Wormwood Squirm]

You also need to get rid of that blasphemy in all caps title as well.

Otherwise you will get punched out by a mod.

Health care here in duh great white nord is sort of kinda like maybe ok sometimes, if you don't get too sick that you might need a doctor right away and you don't need surgery and you don't need any complex analysis like MRI's, CAT's or PET's for maybe 6 to 12 months. For some strange and wonderful reason, dental health care is somehow not health care and is of course excluded, but since everyone knows that mouth and gum infections are linked to overall health, it appears that the Kanadakastanian government wants us all dead, so they don't have to pay for our ever so good 'health care.' But in the meantime, our central bank, the BOC, sucks money away through additional insurance (on top of all the federal taxation and then some), called dental care insurance to ensure that they bleed us out well. Notice, it's not deemed health insurance, else it would be covered.

That being said, Kanadakastan, a country of fractured apathy, special interest groups, multiculturalist retards, bleeding hearts (frank zappa's line of course) is the general grazing area of the species homo sheopolis injurious assytis (they take it up the ying yang a lot) who will tolerate the health care system until they all die of secondary or tertiary infections that may or may not cause PCES (Prince Charles Ear Syndrome) before they die, which was originally thought to be horse-faced-bat-eared-boy syndrome. I would have to say we have other more aggressive species such as homo rebilitis, but their numbers are few and are generally assimilated by age 55. The ruling species, known as homo ramitupthe assytis tends to gather in the Ottawa Valley and have a predisposition towards the use of verbal lubricants that evaporate on being heard.

Since I have lived in other countries, I can say the US system is out-of-wallet expensive but fairly efficient, your drug pushers are faster than ours and in the US you can get treatment quickly. In South Africa, who have basically the same system as the US, at least when I was there, were also fast and efficient, but more costly at the time than Canada in 1988 ($400R per month plus about 2% of our income) as we had to support all of the free health care for the indigenous non-paying rabble. In 1988, 6 million paid for 30 million, go figure? In Kanadakastan, the provincial health plan, like OHIP, costs about 10% of your salary for a family of 4. So say you make a total of $100k per year, $10k is health care but then you have to add the dental care, drug plans, extended care and all that crap for an additional $500 a month. So your total is around $16,000 per year or $1,350 a month. I think that is in the same dollar range for the US as the Obamator is quoting, for our kind of lackluster system.

It's interesting, I tell most doctors what I need and they comply (of course however they have read my book...lol). The only reason we even need most of these GP's is because it's illegal to write your own prescription and not pay the bio-pharm salesman.

Since socialized health care and Socialism, the retarded sister, is the product of an Oedipus-syndrome-union of Communism and Marxism, I would say steer the hell away from socialized medicine. I kinda feel bad for you guys (and gals) because your transition to socialism will be like taking a 40 year old from the 50's and dropping him into today's "rules," it will drive some people insane. We were nickel and dimed for decades, and I honestly don't know how I've lasted this long in a totally corrupt socialist oligarchy. The stories I could tell if it wasn't for gag orders....

I rarely need to use the medical system at all. But when I have needed treatment it's been prompt and done right. Never had any complications and depending at what Province/Territory you live in it's free(Taxes). In BC it's about $55/month per individual. My employer pays 75% of mine so it's really a small amount. For extra coverage I get I pay 150/month. With the extra coverage I basically get treated like GOD himself/herself and everything is covered. No bill down the road.

I'll take Canada's system over our Southern neighbors anyday of the week. No one in Canada has to worry about going bankrupt if they get sick. Can people in the US say the same?

The Swine Flu vaccine shortage IMO is a good thing. Maybe less people will die from the vaccine if they have time to think about the risks versus reward.

reply to post by HotSauce


Not sure ths is for real...... I have NEVER experianced any of the waits described here!!!!

My mother calls doctor ANYTIME! and he takes care of her, my brother needed some surgery last year and no problem.

Same for me, never had any wait times, other than a couple weeks to see a specialist.

Hmmmm propaganda??

reply to post by svpwizard


I'm actually beginning to think that the poster might be trying to challenge the perception of propaganda here.

The politicians here and the msm love to use the canadian system as some sort of boogeyman. It's like that one thing they can always point at and use as an example of the absurd. Whether this perception has any basis in fact might be irrelevant to the people these politicians and political pundits are speaking to.

reply to post by Seiko


Actually you spark a good point, I forget where I saw it or heard it but the point of the show was that we are so programmed to fear everything that it has become increasingly easier for the powers to be either for financial / political gain to lie and have people gobble it up without question.

I'm sure someone else can explain the theory better than I.

reply to post by HotSauce


You think its going to be long waits? The more reason to stick with your corporate healthcre then.