Lack of health care killed 2,266 US veterans last year: study, page 2
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reply posted on 11-11-2009 @ 03:53 PM by HotSauce
reply to post by Seiko


Hey tell all veterans you know, I said thanks for serving. I hope they gets the care they need. They are definitely heroes.

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reply posted on 11-11-2009 @ 05:30 PM by RoofMonkey
reply to post by Seiko


An employee is any person hired by an employer to do a specific "job".

If your ultimate payer is "The State", then by default your employer is the "The State" no matter how many layers of bureaucratic B/S you lay on top of it or inject into the system.



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Per CNN, the bill passed by the House would cost $894 billion. Now if you look at the projected costs of Medicare, Medicare Hospitalization, Medicare Hospitalization, Medicare Home, SCHIP, Medicare Prescription Drug... which were collectively supposed to cost 80.4 billion, and compare them to what they actually cost, 251.8 billion (a 313% increase), you will get an idea of what this thing is going to morph into.

A 2.8 TRILLION dollar pig trough.

And that just using previous Government Mandated programs as a guide.






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reply posted on 11-11-2009 @ 05:33 PM by Stormdancer777
reply to post by lucentenigma



You can also call the above "rationing", exactly what will happen if the government runs health care for all of us.


Exactly, they ration Medicaid and medicare now also,


reply posted on 11-11-2009 @ 05:52 PM by RoofMonkey
reply to post by lucentenigma


Probably not a whole lot.

Where the points of contention come in are where the Military claims there was no hazard but there was a hazard. The specifics of the activity that caused the exposure would not necessarily be part of the treatment issue. Even it it is, that's one of the side benifits for having military doctors... much easier to get them cleared.


reply posted on 11-11-2009 @ 05:58 PM by lucentenigma
Originally posted by RoofMonkey
reply to post by lucentenigma


Probably not a whole lot.

Where the points of contention come in are where the Military claims there was no hazard but there was a hazard. The specifics of the activity that caused the exposure would not necessarily be part of the treatment issue. Even it it is, that's one of the side benifits for having military doctors... much easier to get them cleared.


If one is denied coverage that is one to many IMHO.

And using your statement of their being a hazard when there was a hazard falls back into military/government secrets, how can you make a claim when no claim exists?

Have you ever read about the military employees at Area 51 (burning toxic chemicals in open pits) that sued the government for health issues and were denied because it is a state secret?

When the State comes before the people the State is no longer for the People the People need to rise up...



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reply posted on 11-11-2009 @ 07:38 PM by ANNED
Originally posted by RoofMonkey
reply to post by lucentenigma


Probably not a whole lot.

Where the points of contention come in are where the Military claims there was no hazard but there was a hazard. The specifics of the activity that caused the exposure would not necessarily be part of the treatment issue. Even it it is, that's one of the side benifits for having military doctors... much easier to get them cleared.


Probably a lot more then you think.

Case in point is trichloroethylene (TCE)we use it to clean many things in the navy in the 1970s-80s most of this cleaning was done with full strength trichloroethylene.

In the late 1990s the military banned trichloroethylene from all military installations because of its toxicity.

There are many lawsuits that have been won for health problems in civilians that drank water at levels of a few Parts per million in drinking water.

Yet veterans are not able to get service connection for there problems from using trichloroethylene at pure 100% strength.
www.epa.gov...

The EPA list the max level for TCE in drinking water at 5 parts per billion

I used a lot of pure TCE cleaning parts in the navy and off vietnam when our fresh water evaporators were not working right we would clean oil off our bodies with PURE TCE.

The military had gone to TCE because they had been using Carbon Tet that had killed a few military personal and we were told that TCE was Safe.

As it stands now its a tossup as to which it was that gave a lot of us blue water navy personal off vietnam our health problems agent orange or trichloroethylene.

Very few veterans have ever got service connection for Trichloroethylene.
the VA still claims its harmless.
vets4politics.blogspot.com...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
books.nap.edu...
www.congress.org...
www.mwsg37.com...

the VA has even banned Trichloroethylene from the facilities.


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