Will Venus be the next Earth?

reply to post by Devino


Scientists don't just study their whole lives to not learn anything first of all. Spoon fed and scientifically sound are two totally different things.

First some perspective. Here is a massive photo of Venus, just to give you the idea of what we are talking about here.



Here's a smaller one if that one hurt your eyes.



We know the Venusian atmosphere contains high concentrations of CO2 and droplets of Sulfuric acid. We know this, it isn't that hard to figure out the composition of a planet's atmosphere.

A spectrometer (spectrophotometer, spectrograph or spectroscope) is an instrument used to measure properties of light over a specific portion of the electromagnetic spectrum, typically used in spectroscopic analysis to identify materials.

Why is the CO2 there? That's easy! Its a heavy gas. Volcanoes release massive quantities. No volcanoes on Venus? Ummm, we can see them! Where gravity is applied CO2 will sink, the more of it we have in the atmosphere, the more weight it will put on the surface. Matter is attracted to matter, especially a big ball of it (It's known as gravity.). Venus has an extremely dense atmosphere. There is a lot of CO2 in it.

Watch the Experiment at :30



As a heavy gas CO2 stays closer to the surface, but if you get enough on it it will start to gain density. The higher density per volume and you create a super high pressure gaseous atmosphere.

Greenhouse gases are gases in an atmosphere that absorb and emit radiation within the thermal infrared range. This process is the fundamental cause of the greenhouse effect.

Believe it or not water vapor, not carbon dioxide, is the primary greenhouse gas on earth. CO2 is not extremely heavily concentrated. On Venus it is not only heavily concentrated, but freaking heavy!

CO2 is a perfect example of a greenhouse gas. It is a heavy absorber of heat.

Lets watch a video about the Venus CO2 buildup.





[edit on 4-11-2009 by DaMod]

reply to post by TheRedneck


I agree with you and I understood the point of your post, it is as though scientifically we are making good time, but we are going in the wrong direction. Some of the material from 30 years ago, 50 and even 100 years ago is more accurate than what is being promoted today. I mean Dark Matter, Magnetars, Loockback Time and now Dark Stars...what will they think up next?

Personally I believe that to have a firm understanding of anything would make communication of it easy and vice versa. So for cosmologists who say the Universe is too complicated for us to understand are communicating to us that they themselves believe the universe cannot be understood because it is too complicated. By far the easiest material to understand that I have read on relativity was written by Einstein himself. Whatever happened to those three magic words that we all used when we were children, "I don't know"? Perhaps the answer is in the question.

As for "Worlds in Collision" I find that it was ahead of its time and there is still much to learn from Velikovsky's work. I find it amazing how many different sources he refers to and how he put it all together is beyond me. I had a difficult time simply reading it in regards to the sources that he linked to his material let alone conceiving of undertaking such a feat. His work alone has inspired my interests in ancient history and myths.

[edit on 11/4/2009 by Devino]

reply to post by DaMod


I don't know if your post is intended to inspire or insult me but I find your mannerism very boring. I have looked at more images of Venus then I can remember and I know what gravity is.

As far as chemistry goes did you know that Oxygen (that would be O) is heavier that Carbon (C), look it up- here is a Chart.
Notice the atomic weight of Carbon is 6 and Oxygen is 8, hmmm. The reason CO2 is heavier than O is because it is a molecular structure containing two Oxygen atoms and a Carbon.
Sulfuric acid, is this heavier than Oxygen? Well lets take a look, H2SO4- appears so. but this does not address my point in the least.
Does CO2 absorb heat? Of coarse it does. Do you know how atoms adsorb and hold heat? I'll give you a hint, think 'quantum leaps'.

Why is the CO2 there? That's easy! Its a heavy gas.

CO2 does not exist because it is heavy, either I missed your point here or you don't have one.

No volcanoes on Venus? Ummm, we can see them!

Who ever said that there were no volcanoes on Venus? I think you left out the world "activity".
Did you know that there is no proof of current volcanic activity on Venus? If you have some proof that disagrees with this then I would be very interested in reading about it, please link whatever you have.
And no more Bill Nye... please!

The entire surface of Venus (that we know of) looks new as though it was resurfaced at the same time. How did this happen?

Believe it or not water vapor, not carbon dioxide, is the primary greenhouse gas on earth.

This is a good point and something I also have thought about. What about water liquid, is that more dense than water vapor? So why aren't our oceans absorbing heat like Venus?
I don't think you read any of my links. You should, you might like them.

CO2 is a perfect example of a greenhouse gas. It is a heavy absorber of heat.

What does "a heavy absorber of heat" mean? Am I to take this to mean that heat has weight?
I have many questions about our closest neighbor and none of them are trivial, I would be very pleased if you could try and help find some of these answers. This would be far more productive than being antagonistic.

ADD: p.s. I like kitties.


[edit on 11/4/2009 by Devino]

Originally posted by Stari
My point? Well, shouldn't we be looking into finding a way to get to Venus and put more efforts into exploring Venus and finding ways to make this planet more habitable? Or will it become more habitable once it reaches the Goldilocks zone?

Ok, I am going to stop with this and I am asking for everyones opionions on this so far. And please if this has already been researched on here or anywhere else can you please post the links here, thanks

Also, if this is total nonsense then please explain to me why?

Stari

well one thing you have to consider is this...

the necessity for an Earth - type planet to exist as ours does, relies COMPLETELY on the existence of an Earth-Moon type system.

check out this video series "If We Had No Moon" and the chaos that would ensue if our Moon left or was destroyed...



what we live on isn't merely the Earth, its the Earth-Luna System.

The moon (luna) does not revolve around the Earth.
The moon and the Earth both revolve around a point that is the medium between both of their masses, this point is located about 1000 miles under the earth's surface, and the two masses revolve around this point like a lopsided hula hoop.

this point is called the Barycenter. (Center of Mass)
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so since we're talking about 'reorganizing' the planet's order/positions to best suit a new habitable area in our immediate viscinity, why not go a step further on the same note and 'give' Venus a moon?

To quote from an old thread where I posted the same information ..
www.abovetopsecret.com...

en.wikipedia.org...
Yale alumnus, Tom Charles Van Flandern, Current head of the Naval Observatory's Celestial Mechanics Department, Author of "Dark Matter, Missing Planets and New Comets: Paradoxes Resolved, Origins Illuminated",
Has hypothesized as to how Mercury, could at one time, have been Venus' satellite.

Now, going along your idea here, to say somehow we are able to reposition planets, somehow.. utilizing some magnificent method of electro-magnetism-gravitational manipulation, the idea I'm adding to the discussion, is to bring Mercury to mate with Venus in order to form a Venus-Mercury System, mimicking the Earth-Luna System.
What's interesting, whether intentionally by ancient wisdom, or pure coincidence, is that the Greek versions of the Roman names Venus and Mercury, are Aphrodite and Hermes, thus making the combination of the two, the mated result being a balance of masculine and feminine forces to form the Hermes-Aphrodite system or Hermaphrodite System.

as you can see here - the relative sizes of the moon and mercury, earth and Venus show us that this type of hypothetical pairing would be feasible.

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As the astrological symbols used to represent the planets are Alchemical in origin, the idea of a Hermaphroditic existence is held as an ancient Alchemical, Gnostic, Hermetic Goal
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whether symbolical in the new Earth (Hermaphrodite) or the end-goal physiological vessel (new body).. meaning a gender-neutral body/spirit/mind that humanity would eventually evolve into, ending the psychological suffering of the constant desire for sex, because when inhabiting Hermaphroditic bodies, the idea is that when one person in habits a body of gender neutrality, the physiological and psychological aspects of the individual's both feminine and masculine sides are able to be expressed at the most efficient and fullest level, bringing a new level of human interaction and intimacy.

Needless to say, this is not a popular concept, and would be in general reviled and or mocked, no need to boast about how comfortable you already are, being a man or woman, this discussion is about Venus becoming habitable..

As uncommonly held or understood the premise I just brought up is, I can bet you that the Masonicaly Led Military of the world's top nations are or have already discovered scientific method of metamorphosing humans into this next level of human body... on a new earth..
In some ways some could make this concept analogous to Heaven, as in a Heaven that is built.
Are men eternally men? Are women eternally women? are either unable to envision exploring and experiencing the full spectrum of their psychology in the means of becoming a complete spiritual being?
Some think that breaking the barrier of sex identity is crucial in order for full spiritual liberty.

Symbolism and Masonic Great Dream aside,

the Hermaphroditic System (Hermes-Aphrodite or Venus-Mercury system) would be necessary in order to balance Venus's atmospheric, tidal and climatological conditions.
Let alone the psychological balancing act that the interaction of the two would create for the beings living there.
It's well known that our Moon Luna has a drastic effect on our minds as it does on the Earth's tides of the water bodies here.
Seeing as our bodies are 78% water, the movements of Mercury around Venus, like the movements of our moon around us now, would be required to sustain the psychology and biology that we'd experience here.

NOTE that the positions of venus and mercury are aligned with saturn and the sun during the winter solstice of Dec 21 2012 as illustrated in a crop circle..www.abovetopsecret.com...

could venus/mercury / hermaphrodite be our "New Earth" that manifests on that day?

star and flaggage OP!

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[edit on 4-11-2009 by prevenge]