Obama putting $3.4B toward a 'smart' power grid

The green movement is a scam. We are in dire need of a more efficient and reliable power grid though. I'm all for this one.

If the grid was 'really' smart... it would be fed from the heat of the Yellostone caldera. Hopefully, that would cool down the caldera, and prevent it from a super-volcanic eruption - destroying half of North America.

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Source? That's what the little blue button is for on the top of the posting page.

That page sounded like Obama propaganda. Or it could be right out of the Wall Street Journal, how do we know?

I think that the importance of your statement needs a slight bit of emphasis... but you are correct other than that.

Yellow = My change.

Originally posted by peponastick
So let me get this right...

You guys are celebrating the fact that the gov't will be able to track every ounce of energy you use and tax you on excessive energy use as determined by the Government . I'm not against conservation I'm against the gov't having more power. Let the markets drive the change not the gov't. It always leads to the same spot, the gov't over-reaching into the personal lives of americans. Anything with the word "smart" in it can be replaced by Big Brother.

How nice of him.

$3.4 billion to create new jobs, and build a better energy grid, for all Americans to benefit from.

VERSUS

$13.8 + Billion to GMAC to pay all of their debts, pay their million dollar bonuses, and foreclose on all of our houses.

Hmmmm....

Have the sheeple figured out whom Obama is actually working for yet?

This is not about green energy, it is not about the grid at all, it is about the meter.

This is the Tax payer paying for your power company to install a meter that will not only eliminate the meter reader jobs it will allow them to monitor how much power you are using each hour of the day.

This will increase profits for the power company and lose jobs, not create them.

The lies he states in this video is worse than the lies Clinton stated about not doing Monica.

We need an impeachment.

www.popsci.com...


GREEN JOBS?

He has increased the amount of government land leased to the oil and gas companies by 55 million acres. It was only 26 million under Bush and now it is 81 million acres and they are about to hold 38 more land lease sales to them.

www.reuters.com...

Lies!!!

I never thought we would have a bigger corporate crook int he Whitehouse than Bush, but lo and behld, here he is, the Spender in Chief, bought and paid for by big business.

Same thing with the Medical industry, he wants to buy a trillion dollar industry commputers. I think they can afford their own computers. This is payoff for election funds pure and simple.

This is one of many major pay days that Al Gore has been scamming for.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

The deal appeared to pay off in a big way last week, when the Energy Department announced $3.4 billion in smart grid grants, the New York Times reports. Of the total, more than $560 million went to utilities with which Silver Spring has contracts.

The move means that venture capital company Kleiner Perkins and its partners, including Mr Gore, could recoup their investment many times over in coming years.

Few people have been as vocal about the urgency of global warming and the need to reinvent the way the world produces and consumes energy as Mr Gore. And few have put as much money behind their advocacy and are as well positioned to profit from this green transformation, if and when it comes.

Critics, mostly on the political right and among global warming sceptics, say Mr. Gore is poised to become the world's first "carbon billionaire," profiteering from government policies he supports that would direct billions of dollars to the business ventures he has invested in.

Few have worked so hard at making the people believe in the bogus theory of man made global warming as Al Gore has... It is about to pay off for him.

I can't believe the American people simply lay down and take this kind of fraud.

Oh well, this amount of money will be small compared to what Al Gore and his cronies will make once cap and trade is passed and implemented... Then they can rake in hundreds of BILLIONS regularly.

Good job Al

Seems as though you have gotten away with one of the biggest, most elaborate, most convenient scams ever.

I don't like the idea of globalizing, Big-Brotherizing the power grid, in the name of ecology. what we REALLY need to do, is produce power closer to home, independently, and CLEANLY.

Oh No!!

You Obama lovers.. can't you see what this guy is doing?

His health care bill is already going to cost trillions of dollar that we don't have.. How is he going to pay for this scheme? He cannot justify payment.

To him, it's o.k. let the American peoples taxes pay for it all!

Do you really want this country to go broke more and have to borrow more money from China? - that we can never pay back.. Don't you see, Obama is selling these things to Americans because THEY SOUND GOOD.. it's a ploy.. This will bankrupt us so much that will will be dependent on aid from everyone else and they will take over our government. This is exactly the structure Obama is setting up for us.. he's getting us comfortable with the socialist system so when we are taken over, we will believe it's fo our own good an no one will resist!

He is a good Con man.. He gets people thinking we must do this and it's so good for the country no one asks how its going to be paid for and if they do, Obama doesn't have a straight answer that is proven to work by the economist who studied it.. because no one has!

Don't let this traitor spend another dime of tax payers money! He has already spent more then a lot of presidents and he is only in his first year! Wake Up people!

Long Live The Resistance ! We Must Take America back from the politicians and big Corporations to save her!

EDIT : You know.. when the French Revolutionist could not settle their problem diplomatically, they used guns. When the Americans couldn't settle their differences with England they used guns and America was born.

It's way past time people. Now our government is so big and out of control that if anyone tried that they would be killed on the spot and the media spin would say they were a traitor.. because government controls the media. We have failed as American people to protect this country. It will fall.. no doubt about it.. and it will be within our lifetime. Oh it may still be called America, but we won't have any more a since of the government our founding fathers set up for us. It will be a hostile takeover from within. Eisenhower knew this and tried to warn the people. What have we done since then to stop this? Nothing. Fight. Go down fighting. Perhaps not with guns but any way you can that makes a difference. And in the end, prepare to Get Out. because then you won't want to live here.

I wonder if the peoples of the world on ATS really know what type of dictatorship we have in America.









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Where exactly does this $3.4 billion come from? Out of thin air?

Who exactly is collecting the semen samples from the Chinese to pay for all of this? Not sure yet if Obama has noticed, but there is still alot of money being spent on wars we shouldn't be fighting.

Don't get me wrong, it is about time the infrastructure of the US gets some attention, but the spending of the money......

so many promises - so little time.

I say we wait before we get excited about anything.
The excitement should come when things actually happen and all of the pieces to the puzzle are in place. This is definitely needed - but we need to ask these questions.

1. who gets the (bid or no bid jobs) that comes with the proposal?
2. who pays for it and how?
3, is there full transparency regarding the reasons that these changes are taking place - and what that will entail?
4. are there "new" laws being made - because of said changes and who do these laws benefit?
5. what's the real price?

We have to quit falling in love with the idea of something happening.
It's dangerous and it controls us in ways that stop us from thinking critically.
We don't need to clap for anyone. We need to sit back, ask questions - and watch what really happens - and how it happens.








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Originally posted by Donnie Darko
I don't like the idea of globalizing, Big-Brotherizing the power grid, in the name of ecology. what we REALLY need to do, is produce power closer to home, independently, and CLEANLY.

Ah - now there is some good thinking.
This IS what we need to do.

Originally posted by plumranch
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FYO, renewables have a larger carbon footprint, are less efficient, are higher in cost in general than conventional energy. There are some exceptions some of which I know well from personal experience over 30 years.

Solar is completely uneconomical and unrealistic, wind is pretty much a joke in its present state of application in the midwest and most others are simply unpractical or in the early state of development at this time.

HAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah....goodness!
Second line.

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What this smart grid is.
A combining of the power grids in the US into one big government controled grid.
www.eere.energy.gov...

The rich elites on the east coast want this so they do not have to see what they call big ugly wind turbines in there states.

Once the grid is one big grid the government will start taking property in the southwestern and southern states to build massive solar and wind power plants.
They will also use this to take land in rural areas for nuclear power plants instead of building nuke plants in the east coast states.
Do you live in a small rural town away from big cities with a large lake near by.
This is what they will want for nuke plants.(cooling water for the plants)


Having a one grid country would make it easy for a foreign country to wipe out the power system in the US by hacking the grid or a one nuclear bomb EMP attack. The way the grids are now it would take at least three nuclear weapons to take out the US grids.

And once they have power plants in the south and southwest they can tack another tax on to your power bill a tax to mitigate any environmental damage. This will be on top of or replace any cap and trade tax as the system goes green. (you know once the government gets there hands on a large tax base they will never want to lose it.)


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The rich elites on the east coast want this so they do not have to see what they call big ugly wind turbines in there states.

I see you have a very good and correct, IMHO, insight into wind and the grid system!

The vulnerability of a grid system is very important esp. today when a small airborn nuclear device could wipe us out for literally years.

Imagine all (that is all) computers and electrical control devices wiped out by one EMP or electromagnetic pulse. It would stop all commerce and thereby all activity. How many are prepared for such an event? Nobody I know!

You don't even need a very big or modern nuclear device! One like Big Boy or Fat Man would indeed do the job better than the modern version. Just touch them off at high altitude. (not a secret BTW).

Makes you think!

I wonder if this new "smart grid" system has AI enough to have let the people of New Orleans return to their homes a week after the storm when the grid (fully functional) was being purposely kept off line to encourage evacuees to stay away and those remaining to leave Or will the bureaucrats still hold the keys to the overides.

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