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McDemocracy : Would You Like Fries With Your Freedom, Sir?




Topic started on 19-10-2009 @ 06:57 PM by SpartanKingLeonidas


After having looked back at all the times that America has stepped it's big foot in the doggy doo of the world to interfere, or as some people call it, assist in giving other countries democracy one has to wonder just what kind of fools we must be for our American dream being one size fits all for the rest of the world towards leading others towards democracy as a political ideology where there was no choice before because of the previous dictatorial nonsense, whether it was Communist, Monarchy, or a Repbulic.

Is democracy really that plain and simple to be given away as a McDonalds franchise?

What on Earth happened to other people of other countries actually shedding their own blood to get their country back from the ruthless butthead dictator where we as a country have to step in and assist or interfere as the rest of the world seems to refer to it?

Sorry, I do not want my country giving out the war machine and money of our country to defend people who do not want to try it on their own first, but I am not stating to not assist them at all but to me it sure as Hell would show a need more for it if the people were out there trying to overthrow their own idiotic regime and being killed for the process, because that would mean it was really needed, otherwise we are being sold a lie.

When democracy is something so fairly spread out to every corner of the world like a McDonalds franchise, it cheapens its meaning, at least to me, in that too much of a good thing is out there with not a lot of people actually trying to achieve it on their own. Would McDonalds let you give away one of their franchises? Hell no, because they would go out of business if they considered something like that, so what makes America, the Government more specifically, think it has the special right to give away democracy at the cost of trillions of taxpayers dollars, and letting our soldiers get killed for other people's needs in a needless war?

Am I stating I really want those other countries people to die?

Hell no.

Am I stating I want other countries controlled by ruthless dictators?

Hell no.

Am I stating I believe we are wasting our soldiers live for nothing?

Hell yes.

Am I stating I believe our Government is wasting our tax money?

Hell yes.

When will we as a nation allow other people to fight their own fight for once, not get mixed up in some foreign war where we are not needed nor are we wanted?

I could have sworn America was born because of the need to overthrow tyranny.

So, by us getting involved in the process holding the hands of Iraq, Afghanistan, or soon North Korea, or even Venezuela, are we in fact letting our Government speak for us in getting us and our soldiers killed because of their corporate greed for oil, resources, and land, or are we in fact enabling those countries and thereby weakening them through indoctrination of not being able to do it on their own and thereby weakening and diluting the process of democracy?

Democracy used to mean something to me.

Way back before we started giving it away like the prize in a Crack Jacks box.

Maybe, instead of giving it away at the cost of our taxpayers money and soldiers lives, we should back out and give advice, or maybe, just maybe, we should not get involved to begin with.

Does this sound isolationist? Probably to some people.

Does this sound harsh to some? Probably a little.

Does this sound a little out there? Probably just a tad.

I just think that when democracy is as easy as a phone call away and an air strike later, that the meaning of it is diluted down to almost nothingness, in that democracy, just like freedom has to in fact be won, not given away like a McDonalds franchise.

Would you like fries with your freedom, sir?

This entire thread and the current post was inspired because of my last post over here :

Blackwater : Right-Wing Conservative America, Whether You Like It Or Not...

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reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 03:53 AM by Big Oil


I don’t think any first or second world countries have a democracy anymore it’s all corporatism. The need to train workers in order to turn a profit is the only thing that matters to government nowadays.

I'm not agreeing with my own statement, but that's truth with are current society for now.



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reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 04:00 AM by alyosha1981


Money, money, money...war is big business and since we (U.S) are capitalist we move right in where resources and potential for lucritive contracts exsists, I don't always agree but spreading the idea of democracy is like trying to convert somebody over to your religion, I feel like you (we/u.s) should provide example and then let the world make it's own mind up.



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reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 06:25 AM by SpartanKingLeonidas


Originally posted by Big Oil
I don’t think any first or second world countries have a democracy anymore it’s all corporatism. The need to train workers in order to turn a profit is the only thing that matters to government nowadays.

I'm not agreeing with my own statement, but that's truth with are current society for now.



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Exactly my point.

Democracy is being put out on an assembly line and given away far too easily.

Broadcast a little conflict, get the public behind it, even through surreptitious means, and sell, sell, sell.



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reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 06:28 AM by SpartanKingLeonidas


Originally posted by alyosha1981
Money, money, money...war is big business and since we (U.S) are capitalist we move right in where resources and potential for lucritive contracts exsists, I don't always agree but spreading the idea of democracy is like trying to convert somebody over to your religion, I feel like you (we/u.s) should provide example and then let the world make it's own mind up.


I know what you mean because war is far more profitable than peace.

And the politicians would rather play that they are trying for peace, to stop war.

Good point about the religion aspect.

Democracy is not a religion, you cannot convert people to it, they need to want to believe.

Indoctrination via money, weapons, and McDemocracy.

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reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 10:26 AM by Big Oil


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Exactly my point. Democracy is being put out on an assembly line and given away far too easily. Broadcast a little conflict, get the public behind it, even through surreptitious means, and sell, sell, sell.



Do a search on the Trans Afghanistan pipeline, that might explain why there's a multitude of military forces in that country. I think main purpose behind both invasions (Iraq & Afghanistan) was to build a massive pipeline network that extends throughout the entire middle eastern continent. The next target for big oil is Iran and Pakistan.

The selling point here in North America is join the "war on terror" in the name of Democracy.

Nuff Said



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reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 11:01 AM by Benevolent Heretic


Democracy cannot be given, spread, or bestowed on people or countries. This is a mistaken idea proliferated by the Bush era.

By definition, democracy is government BY THE PEOPLE, not usually something that one can peacefully acquire from a centralized power. It must start and be earned from within. It must be the people's idea and it must be claimed and taken, by force if necessary.

Freedom Fries



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reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 03:20 PM by SpartanKingLeonidas


Originally posted by Big Oil
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas





Exactly my point. Democracy is being put out on an assembly line and given away far too easily. Broadcast a little conflict, get the public behind it, even through surreptitious means, and sell, sell, sell.



Do a search on the Trans Afghanistan pipeline, that might explain why there's a multitude of military forces in that country. I think main purpose behind both invasions (Iraq & Afghanistan) was to build a massive pipeline network that extends throughout the entire middle eastern continent. The next target for big oil is Iran and Pakistan.

The selling point here in North America is join the "war on terror" in the name of Democracy.

Nuff Said


I know all about the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline, both because I follow politics religiously, as well as it is in almost every single movie now, like they are taunting American's with it.

Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan has been about nothing more than the oil we are trying so quickly to steal from Russia, France, China, and the rest of the world.

Once we are sitting pretty and owning all of that oil they are going after Venezuela next.

Like they need a reason to go after Hugo Chavez?

I believe the 2016 Olympics will be the perfect staging ground and reason behind building up a show of presence in Brazil, to be that much closer to Venezuela.

Remember the rumors of the property bought by the Bush family in Paraguay?

Yep, almost 100,000 acres, just the right size for a military installation, say Blackwater/Xe, or her sister company created out of thin air, Greystone.



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reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 03:27 PM by SpartanKingLeonidas


Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Democracy cannot be given, spread, or bestowed on people or countries. This is a mistaken idea proliferated by the Bush era.

By definition, democracy is government BY THE PEOPLE, not usually something that one can peacefully acquire from a centralized power. It must start and be earned from within. It must be the people's idea and it must be claimed and taken, by force if necessary.

Freedom Fries


My point exactly, BH.

Democracy, is not something that can be given, spread, or bestowed, so the thought of us giving it to the people is a bogus double entendre.

Quote from Double Entendre

A double entendre or adianoeta is a figure of speech in which a spoken phrase is devised to be understood in either of two ways.

Often the first meaning is straightforward, while the second meaning is less so; often risqué, inappropriate, or ironic.


No, I did not put that quote there for you, BH, I put it there to explain the duplicitous meaning behind the politicians lies in Washington D.C., using double-speak they use euphemisms, double meanings, and innocuous words, hoping their lies will not be caught onto by what they consider the ignorant masses.

I love that you loved the reference to freedom and freedom fries, BH.

I used to work at McDonalds a long time ago, and I always thought the idea of an assembly line was cool when it came to flipping burgers, but not flipping McDemocracy.

Notice my double entendre?



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