reply to post by mad scientist
"If one greatest innovation of WWII in realtion to small arms was the German research and development of the assault rifle, vastly increasing the
firepower of small units."
==Too little Too late for NAZI dominated Germany,
which could never field panzer-grenadier or light infantry units armed exclusively with MP//SG-42/3/4s to test the idea that such use would result in
firepower supremacy against the prevailing mix of small arms & tactics used by Russian, American, or British forces of the day.
--So, they stayed tied to their strict infantry tactics based on the use of light, mobile Machine guns --MG34-&-42-- used as direct fire weapons to
gain firepower supremacy
in the hand held and bipod role, as well as on tripods for direct & indirect fires.
These being 7.92 mm X 57 mm, in comparison to 7.92 mm X 33 mm for the MP//SGs,
clearly shows the gap in bullet weight, powder charge and effectiveness that fuels the arguments,- that are still current, even today, between 7.62 &
==The German assault rifle development line finally evolved into the Cetme in an odd 8 mm long spire tip bullet, then 7.62 NATO in Spain, then back to
Germany as the G-3 rifle in 7.62 NATO, which was overpowering the design, as it was intended for an intermediate cartridge of far less power, with a
third to half more cartridges available in the magazine, a battlefield tool denied fruition by politics and Germany's defensive, non - aggressive
stance of the cold war era.
==The FN-FAL used by germany as the G-1 was another design engineered for a far less potent intermediate cartridge that was stretched to its limits to
accept the 7.62 NATO round. Later both design systems, somewhat modified, were made in 5.56 NATO, AND proved beyond doubt that they could perform
admirably as the "assault rifles" their designers had originally conceptualized.
==Both these outstanding designs did yeoman service as post Korean war BATTLE RIFLES, leaving the field of firearms development glory to the genius of
whose AK47 & 7.62 X 39 Cartridge stood tall, without competition of any sort, until 1967 and the adoption of the M16 series of rifles by the US army,
whose design limitations put it in second place to the Kalashnikov, and has had it ever evolving since its inception until the current moment, when
short stroke gas pistons !!!, and larger caliber and cartridge case capacity rounds, in 6.8 & 7.62 NATO even !!!, are in use by elements of US forces
in the current conflict. Can we just ever once get it mostly right the first time around ??!!!!---obviously not.
==Design wise, an intermediate cartridge rifle that gives a perfect solution to short range Urban combat in rooms or up to 300 meters, as well as
open country, desert, and mountain distances that can reach 1200 meters, is just not in the cards.
So, first of all, a cartridge has to be developed to do all the jobs,
with a critical eye turned to rifle design at the same time.
5.56 is too small, 7.62 is too big.
And 7.62 X39, is a darn good Urban solution to 300 meters,
in the hands of good riflemen, but lacks the power to do much more than that.
Who has a good suggestion of where to go developing that Holy Grail Cartridge ??
The M14 could be tweaked and turned out in the Holy Grail Cartridge.
The M16 could be tweaked and turned out in the Holy Grail Cartridge.
I would walk the walk with either one.
And BOTH final improved versions would do a bang up job.
What other weapons platform could be the best for the job ??