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Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by Sestias
Ayers and Jeff Jones have no formal titles in the administration. But, their "Apollo Group" DID write the stimulus package! Their ACORN leadership was to get billions in funding from the stimulus. Jones even described it BEFORE Obama was elected.
Every other person named IS (or was, in the case of Van Jones) an official in the administration.
Your statement that "most are not czars," is flat-out false. Even worse, ALL have had significant influence on official policy.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
What kind of power? They have no power. They're just advisers. They don't make policy decisions. They have the president's ear, that's it.
Originally posted by Sestias
My understanding is:
The second stimulus package was basically written by the Secretary of the Treasury, Tim Geithner, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke, and the Congressional Budget Office, among others. The package was passed by Congress.
To my knowledge Bill Ayres and/or the "Apollo Group" had no hand in writing either one.
The details of the proposed stimulus package, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Bill, were made public today.
The programs made public today, along with the dimension of the spending called for by Congress and the new president, track the proposals advanced by the Apollo Alliance in The New Apollo Program and the Apollo Economic Recovery Act.
“This plan embraces the sweeping set of actions that the Apollo Alliance recommended in The New Apollo Program, ” said Apollo Alliance Chairman Phil Angelides.
Sigh. I DIDN'T say "most are not czars."
posted on 20-9-2009 @ 18:33 reply to post by jdub297
Most of the people you mention aren't even Obama's czars ... .
Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
For one thing, Congress would have to make these laws. We do remember how government works, don't we?
Oh, really?
When did Congress create new mileage and emissions standards for auto manufacturers? They didn't! Obama did through regulation from an administrative agency - - an executive function.
In January, Mr. Obama directed the Environmental Protection Agency to reconsider the Bush administration’s past rejection of the California application. He also instructed the Transportation Department to draw up rules to complement a 2007 law requiring a 40 percent improvement in mileage for autos and light trucks by 2020. The Bush administration wrote no regulations to enforce the 2007 law.
Originally posted by Sestias
Originally posted by jibeho
Here is the breakdown of czars. Take note of how many were created by Obama vs. those that existed prior. Of those preexisting, the majority were Senate confirmed. Of the 17 czar positions created by Obama only ONE was confirmed by Senate.
www.washingtonpost.com...
Your synopsis is a little misleading. Only one of Obama's Czars NEEDED to be confirmed by the Senate. The others don't need to be, because they do not have a sufficient level of authority.
[edit on 20-9-2009 by Sestias]
At the Treasury Department, which is overseeing one of the largest financial-rescue plans in history, just 12 of the 33 high-level posts requiring Senate confirmation have been filled.
At the Department of Health and Human Services, responsible for responding to a potentially deadly swine flu outbreak this fall, only eight people have been confirmed among the top 20 posts.
Originally posted by maybereal11
Stop the BS. Or at least research before you parrot propaganda from the far right.
Obama did not "create" new emissions standards without congressional oversight.
To the contrary....He simply asked the EPS to actually enforce the laws that Congress passed in 2007...
In January, Mr. Obama directed the Environmental Protection Agency to reconsider the Bush administration’s past rejection of the California application. He also instructed the Transportation Department to draw up rules to complement a 2007 law requiring a 40 percent improvement in mileage for autos and light trucks by 2020. The Bush administration wrote no regulations to enforce the 2007 law.
Originally posted by jibeho
Only ONE needed to be confirmed? According to who?? I'd love to see the source for that info. The only NEW czar that was confirmed was the bleeping Technology Czar.
Originally posted by Sestias
Originally posted by jibeho
Only ONE needed to be confirmed? According to who?? I'd love to see the source for that info. The only NEW czar that was confirmed was the bleeping Technology Czar.
According to this source, posted by jdub:
www.washingtonpost.com...
However much the czars may drive the policymaking process at the White House, they cannot -- despite their grandiose (and frankly ridiculous) appellation -- determine what that policy will be. The Constitution's "appointments clause" requires that very senior federal officials be appointed with the Senate's consent, though lesser appointments can be made by the president, agency heads or the courts, as Congress provides. Well-established Supreme Court precedent holds that an "officer" subject to these requirements is one who exercises "significant authority pursuant to the laws of the United States."
This is the critical difference between the White House czars and federal officials who must be confirmed by the Senate. In the absence of legislation (such as that creating the Office of Drug Control Policy, whose director is the "drug czar"), the only power exercised by White House czars comes from their proximity to the president and the access this provides. Yes, as many will note, that truly is power. But it is not significant authority under U.S. law -- which only the Constitution or Congress can confer.
Thus, White House "Energy and Environment Czar" Carol Browner can analyze, develop, advise, hold meetings and pound the table all she likes on energy and environment issues, but she can determine nothing. Her signature on any order, decision or regulation establishing or altering Americans' legal obligations would be meaningless, unenforceable by a court.
Contrast this with Browner's authority as Senate-confirmed administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency during the Clinton administration, when her signature on regulations gave them the force and effect of law, fully enforceable in the courts, not infrequently by substantial fines and even jail time.
Thus, White House "Energy and Environment Czar" Carol Browner can analyze, develop, advise, hold meetings and pound the table all she likes on energy and environment issues, but she can determine nothing. Her signature on any order, decision or regulation establishing or altering Americans' legal obligations would be meaningless, unenforceable by a court.