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Originally posted by D.E.M.
reply to post by captaintyinknots
Why would they think Hitler? Hitler had nothing to do with Communism, he was a hardline Fascist dictator. If anything, they should think Stalin or Mao. Germany never even came close to what Russia and China devolved into.
“What makes the behavior of some criminal is the coercive power of the state to enforce the will of the ruling class.” -William J. Chambliss
“The more economically stratified a society becomes, the more it becomes necessary for the dominant groups in the society to enforce through coercion the norms of conduct which guarantee their supremacy.” -Chambliss and Seidman
On avoiding prosecution of the elite: “very rational choice on the part of the legal system to pursue those violators that the community will reward them for pursuing and to ignore those violators who have the capability for causing trouble for the agencies.” -Chambliss
“As capitalist societies industrialize and the gap between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat widens, penal law will expand in an effort to coerce the proletariat into submission. Crime reduces surplus labor, by creating employment not only for the criminals but for law enforcers, welfare workers, professors of criminology, and a horde of people who live off the fact that crime exists." -Chambliss
...justice system is biased against the poor from start to finish and that well-to-do members of society control the criminal justice system—from the definition of crime through the process of arrest, trial, and sentencing.38 Reiman also claims that many of the actions undertaken by well-off people should be defined as criminal, but they aren’t. Such actions include the refusal to make workplaces safe, the refusal to curtail deadly industrial pollution, the promotion of unnecessary surgery, and the prescription of unnecessary drugs. This kind of self-serving behavior, says Reiman, creates occupational and environmental hazards for the poor and for those who are less well-off than the rule makers themselves. These conditions, claims Reiman, produce as much death, destruction, and financial loss as the so-called crimes of the poor. -Jeffery H. Reiman
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
people hear Communism, they think hitler, they think china, they think third world. The population has been conditioned to respond with emotion.
Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev "We will bury you!"
Marx was a charlatan who stole his ideas from the left, which included Anarchists such as Proudhon and Bakunin.
The state cannot change, it's very foundation is rooted in a system that has been in operation for centuries, in one form or another.
The state is the true enemy. Marx supported the state in it's most brutal form, dictatorship. (The 'state' is the system, and resources, used to allow one class of people to rule over another)
1The State is the main means by which people live by plunder; the Market, in contradistinction, is the sum of human action of the pro-ductive.
2.The State, by its existence, divides society into a plundered class and a plundering class.
3.The State has historically been directed by those who gain most by its existence — the “upper class,” Ruling Class, Higher Circles, or “Conspiracy.”
4.The Higher Circles will fight to keep their privileged status, and have done so, against libertarians seeking their overthrow and the restitution of their plunder to those from whom it was taken.
5.Politicians operate as “gladiators” in the aptly named Political Arena to settle disputes among the Higher Circles (which are not monolithic)
Originally posted by searching4truth
I don't see how anarchy comes from Marx, when it is, to him, the starting point of a society.