Originally posted by Nightflyer28
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by Nightflyer28
I don't see any indications of 'throwing them under the bus,' or any of the really nasty claims about how seniors would have to 'live with'
problems because of reduced options.
It doesn't matter.
Sarah Palin won.
Go check for yourself.
Won what? I followed your link, didn't find anything re Palin & health care. ALl I know is she likes to make either dubious or blatantly false
claims, like the press "makin' stuff up" or about health care "death panels."
The nail in the coffin was when Pelosi called the senior citizens that are complaining "Un-american".
Wow - that's the most misinformed comment on this I've seen yet.
Pelosi didn't call senior citizens 'un-american' for complaining.
She said that about people who show up at a town hall, a public forum intended to provide constituents an opportunity to question their reps about
various issues, and provide the reps an opportunity to respond right there rather than have to just give one-way feedback and information, and disrupt
these forums with continual shouting, haranguing, and generally make it difficult or impossible for anyone else to get a question in or for the rep to
answer questions or concerns without interruption.
That's not debate. That's not discussion. That's a group of people who have made up their minds, who are unlikely to be convinced or even consider
another position, whose sole purpose is to stifle legitimate discussion and debate, prevent any actual facts from getting out, and scare the hell out
of people who don't know the specifics but might otherwise be willing to listen.
I don't know if I'd call it outright un-American, shouting down everyone else and stifling the flow of information, but it's pretty goddamned close
in my book.
This is a place for discussion and debate. As far as I'm concerned, if you just want to vent, shout, and you're not there to talk or otherwise act
like adults, your place is outside, holding your little sign, protesting (which is your right), and letting the grownups talk.
Sorry, but a well-informed populace, one educated on the issues and capable of making an informed decision, is essential to a stable, functioning free
country. Conversely, I don't know what misinformation/disinformation is essential to, but it sure as hell isn't a free country.
[edit on 8/14/2009 by Nightflyer28]