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We need Government reform more than we need healthcare reform

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posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:27 PM
We don't need Government takeover of healthcare. The health care system is fine, we just need to add preventive care to the system. We don't need government takeover of the healthcare system.

The way Obama talks about healthcare is ghoulish. He told a women that her mother migh just need a pain pill instead of surgery. He talked about the blue pill and the red pill and how some people should take the cheaper red pill.

Obama can't make these decisions and neither can some panel in Washington. He always talks about reducing volume and increasing quality.

If you reduce volume, your going to reduce quality because Doctors are not psychic or telepathic.

I had a friend go to the Doctor with a headache and they found out he had a tumor because of volume. They did blood work and a battery of tests. I bet when Pelosi or Obama goes to the Doctor they want volume. They want things ruled out. This is why the Congress didn't want this option for themselves.

Under Obamacare, the Doctor would have to look at a list of procedures from some panel in Washington. If you uses the cheap procedure, he will be given a bigger reimbursement. If you use a procedure that this Government panel deems expensive, then he will be penalized. So of course this will lead to a horrible, governtment rationed health care system.

Dr. will make more money if they prescribe the cheap red pill and they will be reimbursed less money if they prescribe the expensive blue pill.

These things are between a Doctor and patient, not Government. I have had a side effect from a medicine and then I went to see my Doctor and we worked it out after a checkup. People don't need there Doctors treated them according to some panel in Washington.

In 2008, total national health expenditures were expected to rise 6.9 percent -- two times the rate of inflation.1 Total spending was $2.4 TRILLION in 2007, or $7900 per person1. Total health care spending represented 17 percent of the gross domestic product (GDP).

We have a 13 trillion dollare GDP and the National debt is 11.6 trillion. We need to fix some things when it comes to healthcare but we need Government reform. We can handle 2.4 trillion in a 13 trillion dollar economy.

We can't handle an 11.6 trillion dollar behemoth in Washington.

People keep trying to compare us to places like Canada or Cuba and they don't realize that Cuba has a population of 11 million with a GDP of 45 Billion. Canada has a population of 30 million with a GDP of 1.2 trillion.

We have a country with a population of 200 million plus with a GDP of 13 trillion. Why in the world would we want to be like Cuba, Canada or some other socialist place? The reason we have a 13 trillion dollar GDP is because we have a free market. We don't need Government run and rationed healthcare.

The crooks in Washington voted this down for themselves. They don't want this Government run healthcare. If it's not good enough for their families, why is it good enough for mine? They get to choose between private insurance that we pay for. They have a gas station in the basement of Congress. These people are elitist and we need Government reform and not Government takeover of the healthcare system.

[edit on 2-8-2009 by Matrix Rising]

posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:37 PM
Sorry, but there are some of us, who desperately NEED some kind of health care.

I used to have insurance, until the company - went through some doctors reports and found a lame excuse to drop me.

Now, I can not get insurance - I had to leave the country last year and go to Thailand to get needed surgery that would have cost me upwards of 30 to 60 K (due to complications) but ONLY cost $5800 there!!

Best medical care in my life.

NOW - I have been having SERIOUS medical issues and not getting results - I am looking at having to leave the country again. But I have gone to the emergency room twice now (and I don't do that - unless it is serious!).

I have spent days on the phone trying to get something done.

OH, yeah - one hospital literally kicked me out - because I don't have insurance, - they said they would not help me - more than what little they did.

WE NEED health Care here - I am desperate for some kind of medical care now!!

AT least the other hospital said - I needed surgery to get a lump removed - they did not biopsy it though. BUT - surgery cost here is OUTRAGEOUS!!

I am researching going to Mexico - Merida for the surgery, besides finding out why I am having other problems, elsewhere.

I went to Merida - 2 years ago to a dentist there - cost of dental work here - $8500 - had everything done there and More for $1200!

Best dental work I have ever had too!

Sickening - here we don't take care of our people and if you don't have insurance you are treated as subhuman!!

posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 06:00 PM
reply to post by questioningall

Again, apples and oranges.

Thailand has a population of 61.5 million with a GDP of 553 billion. So of course the procedure was cheaper there.

We have a 13 trillion dollar GDP with over 200 million people. We don't need Government run healthcare in order to fix the system. We don't need to turn into Thailand, Cuba or Canada.

We can fix the system through the free markets. The truth is, many procedures will be more expensive here because of the size of our economy.

We can have free physicals and check ups through a nationally recognized charity for those without insurance. This will help with prevention.

We can get rid of state mandates and allow individuals to buy insurance across state lines. So a person in New York can buy a policy in Vermont if they think it's better for them. This will also add more competition.

You can have a catastrophic healthcare fund for people who have to have serious work done.

There's ways to fix the system without turning us into Thailand.

We don't need to give these irresponsible crooks in Washington another nickle. They waste and spend billions and trillions of dollars everytime you look around and in most cases it's to fix a problem they created.

posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 06:02 PM
reply to post by Matrix Rising

Exactly!!!!! until Washington is clean of the crocks sucking this nation dry and we the people get rid of the corruption in government is not way that this nations citizens can trust anything that the government is planning at our expenses .

A corrupted government full of interest groups can not possible create a government program that can benefit us.

People needs to understand that.

[edit on 2-8-2009 by marg6043]

posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 06:11 PM
reply to post by questioningall

I'm sorry about your situations, but the same crooks that make the laws have forced you into that position. The same people that are trying to orchestrate the take over of the health care industry by the government are the ones that have sat on their butts and allowed these problems to get to the point they are at.

I agree with op in the fact that we need to reform the government before we reform anything else. You can't fix a blown out tire by fixing the radio.

posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 07:09 PM
reply to post by Hastobemoretolife

Exactly, it is the Senators and Congressmen who have screwed this country all up. Throw them out. Get rid of Lobbyists and Payola. No wonder these people feel empowered enough to take exorbitant vacations and spend your money. No one is telling them not to...

posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 11:16 PM
I do not know if Thailand has healthcare or not but it's cheaper there because their currency is low. Same with other countries.

Whether it's free market healthcare or the socialist kind it's still at the mercy of your Big Pharma. But I do hope it passes if only to annoy teh conservatives.

posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 01:40 AM

Name one public service the government runs profitably or even break-even.


Can't think of anything, can you?

Here are a few options; Amtrak, Medicare, Medicaid, FDIC, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Welfare, Social Security.

Ever been to a VA hospital? That's the last resort, it's better to show up at a normal hospital and claim you have no money. They're obligated to care for you.

Want cheap health care? Travel overseas, you already have it. But here we have the best outcomes and the quality of your health care is by your choice rather than a flowchart.

[edit on 3-8-2009 by Dbriefed]

posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 02:37 AM
you know, if i trusted our government, i would 100% support healthcare reform. but the fact is, we can't trust the government to reform ANYTHING.

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