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Obama's Justice Department seeks embarrassment exception for Cheney

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posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 05:01 PM
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Obama's Justice Department seeks embarrassment exception for Cheney


rawstory.com

President Barack Obama’s Justice Department is being very generous to former Vice President Dick Cheney, who has emerged a fierce critic of the current administration.

Arguing before Washington, D.C. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan, Justice Department lawyer Jeffrey Smith said Tuesday that the court should not unseal Cheney’s interview with prosecutors during the Valerie Plame case because it could make future vice presidents hesitant to cooperate with investigations. He added that Cheney’s words could also be used for political embarrassment and must be kept under wraps until it
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posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 05:01 PM
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I guess what so many others say here on ATS is true; that there is no substantial difference between the Dembs and Republicans.

Here is the Obama whitehouse protecting former VP Cheney for possible illegal shenanigans while he was in office. The reason being because Cheney might be embarrassed on the Daily show.

What a sham all the Obama campaign rhetoric was. I suppose the message is that; politicians don't have to respect the rule of law just because they might be embarrassed. The truth be damned.

Pathetic!



rawstory.com
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[edit on 21-7-2009 by whaaa]



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 05:40 PM
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I see two different explanations for this.

1. Cheney has some sort of leverage on the administration. Considering how many Bush era actions have been criticized then used by the current administration maybe the POTUS had to acknowledge privately they were right!


2. They are setting a precedent for covering their own tails in the future!



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 06:06 PM
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...or 3: the bureaucracy that is the Executive Branch has an agenda all it's own, regardless of who sits atop it.

It seems to me that the DoJ has been pushing this "executive privilege" agenda since Clinton, regardless of who is President or what political party he represents...



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 06:11 PM
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What some might say we are evidencing in this is how our 'Constitutional' form of Government has managed to always yield a Cheif Executive who does not attempt to illegally cling to power after the expiration of their terms work.

When the suceeding executive's first task is to make sure you stay out of jail and your reputation stays out of the gutter, no matter how many crimes you committed, and no matter how horrible they were, and no matter what kind of scum bucket you are...

Then there is never a need to cling to power just to perserve your freedom and repuation.

The moment that Presidents stop covering for what their predecessors really did will be the last time a President voluntarily steps down at the end of their term.



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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The moment that Presidents stop covering for what their predecessors really did will be the last time a President voluntarily steps down at the end of their term.





Now this I find an interesting supposition.

There was always the protocol where ex-presidents did not criticize other presidents until Clinton and Carter broke it. Does this signal open season on all presidents now? Will Obama be the one to create the long-feared dictatorship because he is the first to not step down voluntarily?



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by whaaa
 



The moment that Presidents stop covering for what their predecessors really did will be the last time a President voluntarily steps down at the end of their term.





Now this I find an interesting supposition.

There was always the protocol where ex-presidents did not criticize other presidents until Clinton and Carter broke it. Does this signal open season on all presidents now? Will Obama be the one to create the long-feared dictatorship because he is the first to not step down voluntarily?


I would say that depends...was there criticism genuine or was it misdirection.

Would you rather take the rap for White Water or the rap for Monica?

Do you offer a Red Herring or do you go after the Real McCoy.

Throwing the dogs off the scent by offering them a wiff at a false trail isn't exactly criticism but rather strategy.

The reality is these guys are protected in office and protected out of office and the moment they are no longer protected out of office from what they did in office, will be when they stop giving up their offices out of self preservation.

Edit to add that Obama will likely be the last 'freely' elected President of the United States of America as it has been known.



[edit on 21/7/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 06:45 PM
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The notion that any elected official can opt not to cooperate with a lawfully conducted investigation is ridiculous on its face. If the official opts to exercise his or her Fifth Amendment rights to protect themselves from self-incrimination (in a legal sense), that is one thing...run them out of office. If they believe they are above the law because they may be "embarrased," they are grossly mistaken. Or should be, if only the citizenry would hold them accountable.

Unfortunately, we all know nobody is personally accountable in this country any longer.



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 07:18 PM
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Proto, as usual, you provided me with a thought provoking statement. Several, actually.

Now I know why I think this may be the last freely elected President of these United States AS WE KNOW THEM TODAY, but will you please expand on why YOU believe this may be our last freely elected President?

Thanks.



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by dooper
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Proto, as usual, you provided me with a thought provoking statement. Several, actually.

Now I know why I think this may be the last freely elected President of these United States AS WE KNOW THEM TODAY, but will you please expand on why YOU believe this may be our last freely elected President?

Thanks.


Because in order for there to be a One World Corporate Government a New World Order if you will, you can't have individual nations any longer.

The United States has run it's course and served it's purpose to this end and has for all intents and purposes already been destroyed.

Our Treasury is being looted and the Dollar being systematically destroyed as a World Reserve Currency.

Our Constitution is utterly meaningless the people no longer even have the right to question the President's eligibility for Office or to know where he as born through legal proof to establish his eligibility.

Presidential Decrees, Signing Statements and Rubber Stamp Congress all operate on a Corporate Agenda and not the citizen's agenda.

Citizens who believe in the Constitution and an actual Representative Republic and Transparency and Accountability in Government and that Government is elected to protect and serve the citizenry are now 'Terrorists'.

Most citizens completely indocrtinated into the cult of 'victimization' feel that the government needs to control and legislate everything so no one could possibly be a victim of anything but the government.

Americans have been taught to no longer wish for the right to free speech and self determination to place credibility in image appeal and not substance and to think and act as their media talking heads and TV Sitcoms extoll them too.

There is little opposition left to One World Corporate Rule and Slavery to it, and the little opposition that does still exist is being systematically impoverished and turned into a villafied fringe ellement that lacks the logistical capablity or orginization to stop the march towards One World Government.

Obama has never stopped campaigning and hopes to be a key political figure in the new One World Government.

Obama is the great deciever of Biblical Prophecy not because G-d foresaw all this but because Caesar did in a plan to conquest the World.

A popular selling plan called the Holy Bible that all you have to do is get technology and circumstances to mimic the Story Line and people will fall over themselves to have their way of life forever wiped out.

The technology and circumstances now exist to pull off this plan and Dooper I hate to say it friend but your friends in Israel totally get fried in this plan, it's why I am always on them to pull back for their own good.

They don't understand this of course, even though it's in Black and White in the Bible that Rome wrote.

That's the weakness of these faith based religions you have to have faith in them and if you have faith in some other branch you are taught to place no faith in what the other branch is hollering will happen.

Rome wrote the Bible not G-d and Rome wrote it as a plan for the conquest of the world and to form a One World Government.

We are Rome friend Dooper, and at the point people wake up to what's been staring them in the face for hundreds of years, it will be too late to escape it.

I came I saw I conquered.

Hail Caesar!



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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Rome wrote the Bible not G-d and Rome wrote it as a plan for the conquest of the world and to form a One World Government.





Just curious....

By Rome, do you mean the Catholic Church? Or some other entity such as the Illuminati?

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posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by whaaa

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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Rome wrote the Bible not G-d and Rome wrote it as a plan for the conquest of the world and to form a One World Government.





Just curious....

By Rome, do you mean the Catholic Church? Or some other entity such as the Illuminati?

[edit on 22-7-2009 by whaaa]


I mean Rome as in Caesar(s). I believe the Vatican (the White Pope) the Jesuits (the Black Pope) the Masons (the Knights Templar) the Illuminati (founded by the Jesuits) the Knights of Malta, the Knights of Colombus, the Club of Rome, the Bilderburgers, the CFR are all part of the Secret Armies of Rome and that most nations including ours, when you look at the treaties that allowed for their creation and founding show a clear contractual obligation to Rome and the Roman Empire both the Holy Roman Empire and the Roman Empire itself and that Rome is clearly vissible not only in our Laws but our Architecture and Money and that it is vissible in all nations of the world and their laws and money too.

It sounds crazy, and I sincerely hope I am wrong, but I have not uncovered any credible evidence in all my research that can elliminate the possibility.

I belive Rome wrote the plan of world conquest into the Christian Bible to prepare people for a One World Government and the cataclysmic way it would eventually come about. Utilizing divide and conquer warfare by allowing each nation to imagine they were independent and fighting for their own people and culture and motives would only make them fight all the harder and with more conviction and with Rome safely deep in the shadows any nation that did rebel would not be rebelling against Rome but simply itself and who ever came out on top of such a rebellion would end up being Rome's puppet too.

I believe they worked the plan to first stamp out all first nations indeginuos people and bind the world in common maritime law and economic exchange to create the basis for one a common law to bind all the nations together and have since simply been forcing mass migrations, mass exterminations, and mass political indoctrination into the divided sub groups that would fight the last battle for dominance called Armegeddon. I believe that is what they have in Christians, Muslims and Jews, Communists and Socialists and that the Communists will come out on the top at the end because they are the only political group that gives 100% of their allegience entirely to state with no religious divide or qualification.

I believe that they are setting up the conditions for that final battle now, that the economic crisis is orchestrated to help soften the people for the tribulations and impoverish them to the extent of going along with their individual governments and not rebelling against the plan.

That's what I believe, that All Roads Lead to Rome.

I will gladly take the Lunatic Badge of Honor should I be wrong.

Time tells all.

Thanks for asking.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 12:05 PM
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Obama has never stopped campaigning and hopes to be a key political figure in the new One World Government.


I agree, but I had never thought about it in this way! Not only has he never stopped campaigning, he has taken it WORLDWIDE! He has been campaigning in the Middle East, Europe, Russia, Africa, and the Far East!

His popularity at home is falling, but he knows that he has at least 3 more years to win over the world, and his domestic popularity won't matter!

Very astute observation! I just thought he was playing to his strengths as a puppet and orator and avoiding any real policy issues, but your take makes his moves much more sinister and intelligent!



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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Obama has never stopped campaigning and hopes to be a key political figure in the new One World Government.


I agree, but I had never thought about it in this way! Not only has he never stopped campaigning, he has taken it WORLDWIDE! He has been campaigning in the Middle East, Europe, Russia, Africa, and the Far East!

His popularity at home is falling, but he knows that he has at least 3 more years to win over the world, and his domestic popularity won't matter!

Very astute observation! I just thought he was playing to his strengths as a puppet and orator and avoiding any real policy issues, but your take makes his moves much more sinister and intelligent!


There is always a method to madness. There is also a fine line between insanity and genius called success. Some of the schemes and plans the Powers that Be pull off seem so crazy and coincidental in their nature that most people are inclined to imagine to plan such a thing would be insane and therefore there was no plan but it was just a natural occurence of circumstances.

It is in fact that skeptics of the world that makes it a safe one for the despots of the world.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by whaaa
I guess what so many others say here on ATS is true; that there is no substantial difference between the Dembs and Republicans.


You have taken the first step, padawan...-bows-

Look at it this way (strip all of the details and labels and let's take a look at the bigger picture).

The ever present notion that the government needs to present is that they are handling and cultivating society...which means that they are trying to make sure that everyone can get what they want. Note the verbiage...can get what they want. It doesn't mean that they will.

So if government's main concern (and I am pretty sure it is) is to present an authoritative facade then it is important for the personifications of government to avoid criminal charges and any actualization of illegal suspicions as it would undermine the system...and the vast amounts of money that swirl around in there for them to play with.

Dimeocrat and Republicent...or as I like to think that they consider it...CHA-CHING!!

On a side note, has anyone else noticed that politicians get paid a ton of money to discuss social policy and decide upon future actions regarding said social policy...exactly what we here on ATS do for leisure?



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 03:30 PM
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You have my vote if you want to run for Office!

I wonder how often discussions on ATS actually get considered by policy makers when tinkering with their Social Engineering Projects?

Years ago I lived in Los Angeles and worked in a prestigious building in an important part of town while conducting some office hijinx one day I heard the office door open and to my embarassment Cheech Marin was standing there of Cheech and Chong fame taking in the silliness of our office antics.

What he walked into that day showed up as a scene in his very next movie!

People seldom know the true potential for impact their actions have.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
The moment that Presidents stop covering for what their predecessors really did will be the last time a President voluntarily steps down at the end of their term.


I think we have a winner.

Regardless of party line - no President wants to find himself on the wrong end of an investigation when he is out and the next guy is in. So, they seem to give each other these "passes".

I'm not saying it is right at all. I'm just saying that seems to be how it works.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by Frogs

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
The moment that Presidents stop covering for what their predecessors really did will be the last time a President voluntarily steps down at the end of their term.


I think we have a winner.

Regardless of party line - no President wants to find himself on the wrong end of an investigation when he is out and the next guy is in. So, they seem to give each other these "passes".

I'm not saying it is right at all. I'm just saying that seems to be how it works.


It's funny we spend our time on a conspiracy site trying to figure out what really might be going on in the world, yet, imagine what it is like to be the President of the United States...all the things that end up on your desk that well, most people just wouldn't know how to deal with or react to when they do come along.

You really only can tell the public so much about some things or risk having them become an unruly and panicked or rebellious mob, and the buck does stop there so to speak on the President's Desk.

I would imagine the find themselves operating outside of the law often and sometimes for good reason and not just bad.

If it was setup that you couldn't walk away then without risking prosecution and imprisonment for what you did even when it was really to the common good, no one would want the job in the future and those who were in it, wouldn't ever want to give up the executive privelage.

There are a lot of very gray areas in life, that's for sure!



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 03:52 PM
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A democracy is dead when:
1. The elected leaders are no longer held responsible for their actions.
2. The people who elected them no longer care enough to hold them reponsible.

Its a two-way street to one world government.



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