Rising sea levels

Hello there,

I've just been thinking about these rising sea levels and the impending tidal waves that are supposed to flood many parts of the World..... what about all those animals in the zoo's? Are they going to be left to perish in that place? They've been stuck in these zoo's for a good long while only to die from drowning!!!

Not very nice is it?

Hopefully they will be set free before this alleged wave hits!!!

[edit on 4-7-2009 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]

Could the sea rising be so quick that we don't have the time to evacuate?

reply to post by dope001


YOu never know.... it could happen very quickly like it did in Indonesia if a Tsunami hits us again or it could be a slow rising tide all depends how quick the sea levels rise due to Ice melting but still the question remains what will happen to the animals? Will they be transported to another country and set free or what?

The only problem I see with this is that the polar ice caps are getting bigger, not melting. As a result we are not going to see the rise in sea levels that some chicken littles have predicted.

well im sure PETA would be there saving the animals from drowning while leaving the zookeepers and whatnot to fend for themselves. so dont worry about the animals.

Heres a link to this weeks New Scientist magazine.

Hope that interests you all?

[edit on 4/7/09 by logicalview]

If it come's quick, than there would be panic.
I think the people would move as fast as they can to another region too save their lives, think most animals would die in the zoo.

Originally posted by kozmo
The only problem I see with this is that the polar ice caps are getting bigger, not melting. As a result we are not going to see the rise in sea levels that some chicken littles have predicted.

Where do you see that our ice caps are getting bigger? Is there a link to support your statement?

Also, in the event of such a manner, people would be more interested in evacuating themselves than the zoo. The zoo I believe is an injustice itself. Those animals would know no freedom other than death, and the water will give it to them. If it were up to me, the world would have no zoos.

Indeed zoos are not the right way to keep animals. If you put them back into the wild, I think most will not survive.

The only place I know of where the sea ice is growing is on Fox news.

In case you missed this report today:

Antarctica melting faster than expected: scientist

www.chinaview.cn Link to full

[snip]

WELLINGTON, July 4 (Xinhua) -- New Zealand scientists have warned that Antarctica is melting faster than expected.

Professor Peter Barrett of Victoria University's Antarctic Research Center told the annual Antarctic Conference, held on July1-3 in Auckland, that the rate of ice loss was up 75 percent since1996, and was increasing quickly.

The loss of glaciers at the edges of Antarctic was causing a sea-level rise of 0.4 mm a year, he added.

With the global ice loss from Greenland, Antarctica and other glaciers suggested sea levels would rise between 80 cm and 2 m by 2100, Barrett said.

Research center director Professor Tim Naish, led a team of researchers who drilled deep into the Antarctic rock and discovered ancient records from the last time atmospheric CO2 reached the level it was now approaching.

They found that 3 million to 5 million years ago, seas were warm enough to melt a large chunk of Antarctica's ice when atmospheric CO2 was only slightly higher than today.

Naish said west Antarctica's ice would melt before the larger east Antarctic ice sheet because it sat below sea level and warmed with the ocean. . . .

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
Hello there,

I've just been thinking about these rising sea levels and the impending tidal waves that are supposed to flood many parts of the World..... what about all those animals in the zoo's? Are they going to be left to perish in that place? They've been stuck in these zoo's for a good long while only to die from drowning!!!
[edit on 4-7-2009 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]

I don't know where you heard that but it appears you were misinformed.

Thankfully, the rate of sea level rise has not risen any quicker over the last couple decade. Here is an analysis of the TOPEX sea level record, if you want to check yourself. Although this goes against the AGW alarmists projections, the evidence speaks for itself.

Also, the arctic isn't melting as fast as it was over 07 and 08. So there is no imminent catastrophe at this stage.

And there are no impending "tidal waves" either, at least not that we can predict if you mean tsunamis, which are caused by water displacement from things such as underwater earthquakes and landslides. Not from CO2.

No need to worry about the zoo animals just yet

Originally posted by kozmo
The only problem I see with this is that the polar ice caps are getting bigger, not melting. As a result we are not going to see the rise in sea levels that some chicken littles have predicted.

Um. This is untrue.

reply to post by Curious and Concerned


good information.

it's rising minimally, only like one inch every 10 years or something. Matter of fact, in 100 years, that's 10 inches. It's still a lot. The next generation, and the generation after the next, will have much to worry.

So to the O/P, YOU don't have to worry, and neither will the animals, but their offspring and OUR offspring will have to wonder if floods will be more widespread, in New Orleans, China, etc. and if they'll be more disasters like landslides and drownings.

And the polar bears, bless their souls those poor things, are drowning in the sea, because the ice chunks they use to float from one end of the Arctic to another are melting or breaking apart and causing them to flounder in the Arctic sea.

LeTan, i agree with you. ZOOS are inhumane.

On top of that, people like kozmo make me very ashamed of my homo sapien status. The polar bears are drowning and dying and all some uninformed nits can say is that the ice is GETTING BIGGER.

If the ice is GETTING BIGGER, why are the bears DROWNING? Shouldn't they have enough land, then?

Bears deserve the right to live, too. Sometimes, more so than humans.

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I have lived on the ocean my entire life, gone to the same beach day after day, and clearly the sea levels are NOT rising at ALL... if anything the tides are lower....

reply to post by Curious and Concerned


I just a bit sad when i see these animals locked up like they are and wonder about stuff........

Of course my scenerio probably wouldn't happen for a long while yet but i'd much prefer to see the animals running around freely then locked up!!

Edit to add... I suppose i've been watching too many disaster movies!!

[edit on 5-7-2009 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]

reply to post by logicalview


Thanks for the info......

Originally posted by KarlG

 

good information.

it's rising minimally, only like one inch every 10 years or something. Matter of fact, in 100 years, that's 10 inches. It's still a lot. The next generation, and the generation after the next, will have much to worry.

Thanks. The premise that we are in grave danger from rising sea levels has been wildly exagerated. Most studies predicting enormous sea level rises are based entirely on flawed computer models or poor tide gauge readings.

If you would like to trust the IPCC's projections, think again. Heres what Dr. Nils-Axel Mörner, a sea level expert, has to say regarding the IPCC.

A noted expert in sea level change has accused UN's IPCC panel of falsifying and destroying data (PDF) to support the panel's official conclusion of a rising sea level trend. The accusations include surreptitious substitution of datasets, selective use of data, presenting computer model simulations as physical data, and even the destruction of physical markers which fail to demonstrate sea level rise.

The expert, Dr. Nils-Axel Mörner, also raps the IPCC for their selection of 22 authors of their most recent report on sea level rise (SLR), none of which were sea level specialists. According to Mörner, the authors were chosen to "arrive at a predetermined conclusion" of global warming-induced disaster.

Source

Originally posted by KarlG

 

And the polar bears, bless their souls those poor things, are drowning in the sea, because the ice chunks they use to float from one end of the Arctic to another are melting or breaking apart and causing them to flounder in the Arctic sea.

You'll be pleased to here then, that these claims are entirely fictitious. The polar bears are doing just fine. These claims were made by Al Gore in "An Inconveninent '35 flaws' Truth". He used pictures of four polar bears who perished in a sudden violent wind storm as his only proof for his claim that polar bears were drowning.

The polar bear is being used to spur the world to take drastic action against climate change. Facts derail this call to arms. This is the climate change scare writ small.

In the 1960s, there were probably 5,000 polar bears around the globe. Forty years later - thanks largely to a reduction in hunting - the World Conservation Union (IUCN) counts five-times that many.

The world's 25,000 polar bears live in 20 distinct populations. Two populations are growing. Most are stable. Just two are waning.

The declining populations are in areas that have gotten colder over the past 50 years. The habitats of the two thriving groups have actually become warmer.

souce

Also, here's an article showing that East Arctic Polar Bear Levels Increasing. The biologist Mitchell Taylor believes populations are increasing. So do the local Inuit hunters.

Do not fear. Fear is merely the tool of AGW alarmists to get you to accept increasing taxes and control over you.

Originally posted by KarlG

 

On top of that, people like kozmo make me very ashamed of my homo sapien status. The polar bears are drowning and dying and all some uninformed nits can say is that the ice is GETTING BIGGER.

If the ice is GETTING BIGGER, why are the bears DROWNING? Shouldn't they have enough land, then?

Bears deserve the right to live, too. Sometimes, more so than humans.

Please don't be ashamed. I would like to point out that kozmo was not lying.



The dark red line measures the actual ice extent against the average (black), whilst the light pink line reflects where faulty sensors had been underestimating Arctic sea ice extent until the fault was discovered. The purple line is 2007 and the blue is 2008.

This is from the article here which shows that so far the ice levels are exceeding the 2007 and 2008 levels. So the polar bears (even the ones whos populations are growing) will still have some ice to chill on

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[edit on 5-7-2009 by Curious and Concerned]