reply to post by FredT

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AESA radar , arrow , lavi - all projects sold to the highest *chinese* bidder - latest `rumour` is the J-10 has an AESA set , and would be going to the PAK airforce with there shiny new airplanes.

Yeah that was a lesson that cost blood and the marines with thier F-35B are going to rely on a pod

Yep at the rate Isreal is selling our technology, The secrets fo the F-35 will not be far behind

The US has attempted to replace blistering, intuitive leadership with technology.

Technology will never overcome tactical and strategic stupidity.

We beat the NVA in every battle.

And those SAM's? Our pilots were forced to watch the North Vietnamese build them without the approval to attack them.

Unaddressed, they did in fact build up a significant SAM system that wasn't broken until 1972. AFTER we lost a lot of good men and their planes.

Fred, then maybe we should send about 40 F-22's and an all voluntary, CIVILIAN Eagle Squadron to man and maintain those planes.

Sure be a worry to anyone who would design to attack either Japan or Israel.

ARGH NOT CARLO KOPP AGAIN!!!!! he is the biggest douche in the universe, he wants his company modify F-111's and get F-22's and additionally get paid royalties for coming up with the idea. Therefore, he is no different to Lockheed Martin PR, or Boeing PR (Only Lockheed and Boeing are taken seriously by the defense community). He is merely having a sook because Australian Defense does not take him seriously, so he defames other aircraft.



I'd put money on the F-35 / Super Hornet, that's unless you give the Flanker mystical powers like Carlo Kopp does. Why is it RAMJET R-77 versus AIM-120C? For example.


Just like the Harrier I presume.

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if it will keep the f22 lines open then i will be all for it . untill we know what the pakfa will be capable of we should not stop production of the f 22, it makes since to do so buy the extra 12 planes, buy at least the 240 the air force says it needs , and not go by the recommendation of Robert gates that numb nut does not know whats he talking about . if we can spend 10 trillion for stupid no logical sense stuff under obama we can spend 30 billion to secure our air force for 3o yrs , 1 billion a year ,that's a bargain for any military

sounds like a lota countries are gearing up for conflict in that region. makes since for the u.s to supply a key ally with that weaponry, and make sum cash to make up for obama's shortcommings to haha

If the United States were to sell the F-22 to Japan, there would be no need for their project ATD-X, which is their version of the F-22 and the source of a heated debate (said to be against Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution which pohibits advancements in arms that may be used against any one people).

There are striking similarities between the two, but the ATD-X fails to meet the stealth superiority of the F-22.

The ATD-X prototype is under development as of late. It's first flight is scheduled for 2011.

F-22: plus.maths.org...

ATD-X: big5.eastday.com:82...

In the Rumor Department it is said that computer simulations put the ATD-X's stealth capability just a bit better than the F-18 Super Hornet. Not sure if that is only the geometric stealth aspects or if the stealth coating Japan plans on using is factored in to the equation.

Interesting rumor just the same...


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reply to post by Bushido Kanji

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ATD-X (Shinsen IIRC) is actually more related to F-35 than to F-22, but it is optimized for the air defense role rather than for strike missions, reflecting Japan's purely defensive strategy.

In terms of role it is more similar to F-22, but more of an interceptor than a penetration fighter like F-22.

Thus stealth is not as much of a priority - it's not expected to fight inside an opponent's SAM envelope. It's optimized for speed for the interceptor mission.

Still if they are offered the option, I expect they will go for F-22.

With the financial hit they took on developing the F-2 I suspect they would prefer to leave the R & D costs to us.