posted on Jun, 10 2009 @ 09:39 AM
Seeker – Recently you were talking about eliminating the intermediary, which you define as the ego and the mind, and then being able to perceive
reality directly. You say that the natural relationship between oneself and the world, when the intermediary is not present, is one of love, but a
love that is beyond definition and cannot be understood by the mind. A oneness.
Guru – Yes.
S – So what is happening, as I understand it, is that the sense of being a separate individual is eliminated from awareness, and then everything is
perceived to be the self. But if perceiving everything to be the self is required to feel unconditional love for the world, then isn’t that a kind
of evolved narcissism. I mean, you love the world unconditionally only because you see it as being the same thing as the self.
G – The difficulty comes from the attachment to the concept of “self.” The way you are seeing it, the awakened state is indeed a kind of
solipsism, in which affection and tolerance is given to others only because others are identified with the self. I love you because you are me. This
causes blockages as a concept. As a concept it creates a conditional love flowing in one direction. This situation arises if the concept of the other
is weakened or let go of without the concept of the self also being weakened or dropped. Both must go. Then there is no direction in the flow of love.
All is love.
S – It just is, then?
G –Yes. In such a state, love is not thought, not conceptualized, not remembered, not forecast, not clung to, or anything else…it simply is. You
are moving in it. You are the same as it. It is everything. In fact, even the concept of “love” is itself a hurdle. Drop it all. Understand deeply
that you are it. That everything is it. Know that you can only rest in such a state, and no thought can keep you there. You cannot achieve it or think
your way to it. The second the mind kicks in and you believe your thoughts you are moving away from it.
S – It sounds like it’s all about not doing anything. Not thinking anything. Not, not, not…I don’t know. Weren’t we put here to think and to
do things? To learn?
G – The mind is a tool in the way that a hammer or a car is a tool. It can be used constructively, for the greater good, or it can be used as a
weapon. It’s grasp of truth, of what is, is incomplete at best. The most that the mind can do is recognize its limitations. That is the most
profound realization it can have. Throwing open the gates to the infinite nature of reality is the closest the mind can get to the truth. Think of
mental concepts as poses, postures in infinite space. Each one is part of the whole, but no thought or collection of thoughts will ever be able to
capture the oneness and unlimited nature of reality. All thoughts are time-based poses in the infinite. That which is time-bound cannot describe the
S – But what about science? What about the progress we have made as a race though our scientific advancements. Science is thought, and it is
validated by fact and experiment. Is that not a kind of truth?
G – As a product of thought, science must be incomplete. Anything incomplete or limited which measures up against the infinite reveals itself as
infinitely limited, infinitely incomplete. That which is incomplete can only have incomplete truth. We see that science has caused great damage to the
earth and to the people of the earth, this is a result of its partial truth, a kind of telescoped vision of a very narrow slice of reality—this is
what science is. There is no harm in it if we are aware of its true nature, but if we begin to believe that science is somehow tied into truth in a
fundamental way, we are going to get into trouble.
S – Wait a minute…now you’re saying truth can be partial?
G – Truth is always truth, complete and total. A perspective on that truth can be incomplete. Any mental attempt to capture truth will always be
[edit on 10-6-2009 by Silenceisall]