100% Legal proof income tax doesn't apply to most Americans!, page 1
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Topic started on 9-6-2009 @ 10:03 AM by Karrotz
Is this accurate? As far as my research has gone, I've found just as many sites that say income tax IS legal, and the same amount that say it is not. I've been told a number of reasons why it's unconstitutional, but never the reasons presented in this video. (Below is only part one, there are nine parts, just follow the link and you will see part 2 and so forth listed on the right....

Here, it goes into detail of statutes and regulations regarding the actual written tax law. Short summary:

Lawmakers are granted the power to make laws ONLY by power of the constitution, therefore they must be allowed by the constitution. From there, statutes and regulations are written, each with many sub categories upon sub categories. Statutes basically state the written law and present a GENERAL definition. The corresponding regulation for the statute explains the statute in detail, thus explaining to the citizen what the law requires of him. As for this video, it simply (well actually NOT so simply) exposes the truth that income tax does not apply to the average joe in America, it only applies to FOREIGN entities withing the US, Domestic entities earning income in FOREIGN land, and those earning from govt. possessions, such as Puerto Rico. The law specifically LISTS what activities have incomes that are taxable, and the above is the ENTIRE LIST! Do you see domestic workers earning WITHIN the US up there?

So, my question is how accurate is this source? Seems to be very professionally done. Comments?



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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 10:50 AM by SurvivalGearDepot
reply to post by MajesticJax



What about that which is not Caesars? Going to give that to him too?

Good little sheep.


reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 10:50 AM by ExistenceUnknown
reply to post by SurvivalGearDepot



Because the people who wrote the constitution arent around anymore to tell us what they meant. This is why the SCOTUS is tasked with interpreting.


reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 10:55 AM by SurvivalGearDepot
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Do you really need someone to explain to you what "Shall not be infringed" or "Shall not be abridged" means?


reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 11:08 AM by ExistenceUnknown
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No I don't, and I don't agree with the rulings the SCOTUS makes half the time. But they are and were tasked with interpreting it.

How would you interpret The Fourteenth Amendment, which guarantees equal protection of the laws? Does treating people equally mean treating them exactly the same? Or are there circumstances when equal treatment sometimes requires different treatment? This no doubt is a very open ended statement that has been made by the constitution so it is very likely that many people will answer with many different interpretations. This is a prime example of why we need a central interpreting body.



reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 11:12 AM by Darth Lumina
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I think the words in the constitution are pretty clear, many of the words aren't in use anymore and we sound stupid in comparison (that couldn't be because of the lowering of standards in education would it?) When they say interprete, it means they are going to tell you what it means the way they want it to mean. Have you actually ever read the U.S Constitution? It's an easy read and for any word that is too big for you, that is why there are dictionarys.

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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 11:12 AM by jd140
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Yeah go ahead and take tax advice from YouTube.

If you find a video saying you don't have to pay taxes then it must be true, right? After all its on YouTube.

Amazing how after all these years of Americans paying taxes it took a video of YouTube to make everyone realize that it is illegal to make us pay them.


reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 11:18 AM by ExistenceUnknown
reply to post by Darth Lumina



Yes I have read the constitution and I do agree that alot of it is pretty self-explanatory. But your missing the point. You or myself aren't tasked with interpreting it. So it doesn't matter how apparent some things are to us. The SCOTUS interprets the constitution in order to enforce the law.


reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 12:36 PM by ExistenceUnknown
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I'm sure the videos are excellent and honest in their approach. (I can't watch because of work filter) But I will tell you this, none of it matters because, like I have already said, the SCOTUS makes the law. You WILL pay or go to jail if you don't pay income taxes.

You have 2 choices, blind obediance or revolution. And all I see are people trying to find loopholes in a Law that is not static and whose content is at the discretion of the SCOTUS.


reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 12:39 PM by Fremd
Originally posted by SurvivalGearDepot
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Why interpret anything? Why not rely on the actual words?


Because our founding fathers were never "literal" in their writings.

"All men are created equal"

and the 2nd amendment just to name a few.

Interpretations of both are found only in the eye of the beholder. And arguably, both sides of each debate have very valid points that cannot easily be disproved.


They loved to make language sound magnanimous....just not in a "literal" kind of fashion.

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