Carradine mystery deepens, family seeks FBI help

Originally posted by TwiTcHomatic

You have to remember he was in Thailand, bangkok no less.. land of any type of companion you want or need. If his hands were tied he more than likely had someone helping with "maneuvering" of his pleasure parts when whatever transpired did happen.

Bro, I think that you harbor a suspiciously well-organized idea of what happened in that Bangcock hotel. How about telling the rest to the FBI?

reply to post by stander


First I am not your "Bro"...

You're entitled to give your opinion, as am I. If you have nothing intelligent to add, find someone else to spar with... I bite.

My opinion stems from the photo, If it is proven a hoax.. then all good. Until then, we can only speculate... welcome to ATS, home of speculation.

reply to post by Divinorumus

Don;t assume that all alternative sexual practitioners are into kids. Most are not and would be VERY happy to whup up on pedophiles, more so because of that public perception.

From the description of the way he was tied up it does sound like there was at least one other person involved, it would have been impossible for him to hang himself up that way. My guess is he had a heart attack or accidentally strangled and the other person panicked and left.
Wouldn't be the first time that has happened.

...David Carradine was an actor I really liked...

His films have an almosy cult status...

Apparently he took over some roles that had been intended for the (also)

late, great Bruce Lee; Circle of Iron, Kung Fu (the TV show)

Supposedly, at that time (1970's) it was thought that an ethnic Chinese

actor could not "carry" a US TV show...


Now... Since this is a conspiracy site... I will post a link, that suggests that

Carridine's death may have been linked to his "investigations" of secret

martial arts cults... Hum...?


www.contactmusic.com...








[edit on 7-6-2009 by cosmokatt7]

reply to post by mopusvindictus

People do worse, there are necrophiles who like to immerse partners in ice water to induce hypothermia or inject them with insulin to induce temporary comas. I know a sadist who sticks needles into other people's body cavities and his own, THAT is stupid. Let's not even mention the people with kidnap/rape fantasies, you'd be shocked at how popular that is among women of all things. Or people who like being vomited on, or who intentionally have unprotected sex with HIV/AIDS patients like Magic Johnson and Jean Claude Van Damme, who apparently is HIV-positive.

I'm around several people in the alt sex culture through work and school and the thing I have found is that no matter how offensive or dangerous a scenario you can invent, there is a cult out there that likes it. I remember when merely being gay was a good way to lose a career, it seems like nothing is taboo now.

Originally posted by secretagent woooman
From the description of the way he was tied up it does sound like there was at least one other person involved, it would have been impossible for him to hang himself up that way. My guess is he had a heart attack or accidentally strangled and the other person panicked and left.
Wouldn't be the first time that has happened.

Sis, you seem to be knowledgable about the practice and unfortunately came across some close calls. Let me ask you this: why would you tie the guy's hands? Is it some bondage additive that plays a role in this?

Thanks.

[edit on 6/7/2009 by stander]

reply to post by stander

No, but there are several people at the local dungeon who are into this (asphyxiation and choking are VERY common practices) and they have described it in great detail. Helplessness and the trust bond are more important to the act than the physical act apparently. Me, I'll stick to a good tickle and a back rub but to each his own!

One thing I've learned, sexual deviance is not deviant, it seems to be the norm in one facet or another. The other is that the more perverse the practice, to more common it is among the educated and moneyed class. You just don't see mechanics and grocery store workers doing some of the stuff I've seen these peoiple do and I'm sure the expense is not the only reason. I have always thought that the obsession for money and power was a kink to itself and they have proven that to me in several ways. It's an interesting case study, that is for sure, it's been eye opening though not always in a pleasant way.

Originally posted by secretagent woooman
My guess is he had a heart attack or accidentally strangled and the other person panicked and left. Wouldn't be the first time that has happened.

Yeah, who would want to be caught or admit that they were there and into that weirdo stuff too, ha. It's one thing to have people laughing at you AFTER you're dead, but to have people looking at ya knowing that you're a sexual deviant weirdo while still alive would be quite embarrassing. (frankly, I'm surprised that Bill Clintoon has the guts to show his face in public after that cigar thang, and that was mild weirdness compared to this, and every time I see his face I'm reminded of that whole Oral Office fiasco and have to laugh at that lying idiot who couldn't keep his pants up, despite the position he held at the time ..) Some humons are just weirdos, ha. I put this David fellow in the same list as that nut that was caught trying to procreate with a water intake value on a hot tub. (lol)

reply to post by Divinorumus

The sad thing about Clinton was, his escapade with her was not shocking in any respect, they didn't do anything any other cheater ever did. The only thing people didn't like was the fact that she was a lovely woman who was overweight. If she had been ugly or thin it would have been a passing joke. If he had just come out and admitted what he did no one would have cared and most would probably have repected him even more for it.

Speaking of which, that's another thing I've clued into. Polyamory, MUCH MUCH MUCH more common than anyone ever thought. The first thought that comes to mind when someone accuses someone of cheating is that the spouse probably knows and consents to it, they may even be doing it. Face it, once the romance is gone and a relationship is about maintaining status or social leverage, do you really care what they do? No, not really, you just want them out of your face, the same as any relationship.

The police there are ruling out murder since they said that no one came or went from his room during the whole time he was in there.

Now I find that strange for we are talking about Bangkok here, and there is not a shortage of any number of girls that would have helped him get off anyway he wanted to.

Also now that people are saying it looks like his hands are tied up above his head who knows what it was..was it a sex fantasy gone wrong or something more sinister? I for one just can’t believe a rich guy in Bangkok would be in his hotel room alone in that kind of situation.

reply to post by cosmokatt7

This sounds like a takeoff on the theory that Chinese triads and martial arts societies had Bruce Lee killed (which they did in fact try in the 1960s before he became famous and a risky target). I'd be surprised if he was investigating this, he was well known in the martial arts community for not being a hardcore practioner as someone else mentioned. He always publicly disclaimed his image as a "master" as well, why would he waste time going after these people?

reply to post by Divinorumus

They'll probably find he was into other weirdo sexual things too, such as kiddy porn, and then people will really know that truth, ha.

I really hope someone sues your behind for slander for that.
That was completely uncalled for.



[edit on 7-6-2009 by silo13]

reply to post by secretagent woooman

Down-to-earth-reply suggesting that you do have a contact with the real world.

I got so curious about it that I called my daughter -- she's been hooking on and off. She tells me of knowing cases where the prostitutes took their johns to the motel promising a great fun by tying them to the bed. When they got the guy tied to the bed, they took his wallet and split. Would you call the cops and complain about it?

So what if the same thing happened to David Carradine? His teenage companion ties him up, and starts walking from the hotel room with his wallet. Carradine gets upset real bad to the point of forgetting about the leash around his neck, makes a quick move toward the girl and lassos himself out of this world. How about that, sis? Do you think it could happen that way?

How sad that the details of his death, including a death photo, have been made public. Regardless of whether is is a setup, a murder, or sex games gone bad, it is really none of the public's business, unless his survivors wish for it to be. The world had great respect for Carradine, now he is being torn apart, after death, in the media.

reply to post by stander


Wouldn't surprise me but he was at the age where heart attacks and strokes are likely. I'm interested because of the earlier disclosure of a footprint on the bed which didn't match his.

reply to post by secretagent woooman


...There seem to be conflicting reports as to the state of the body when found... Some reports state that the hands were tied above the head... Others state that the hands were tied behind the back... While others say that his hands were not bound at all...

At any rate, I would be wary to trust the "official" reports of the Bangkok police...

Now it seems the Carridine family is asking the FBI to investigate this
(so far unexplained) death..

www.contactmusic.com...









[edit on 8-6-2009 by cosmokatt7]

As a fan of David’s, I mourn his passing whatever the circumstances. I choose to celebrate his accomplishments rather than voyeuristically fixate on the details of his private life. Really, I don’t need to see the picture.

But I have to say, erotic and asphyxiation really don’t belong in the same sentence.

Stander

I hate to be a prick, but you are coming off as some really creepy guy who is getting his jollies off talking about this.

Asking questions and posing situations that dont form up with the story at all...

Honestly, talking about your daughter doing hooking? calling this other young lady sis?

just the way you pose the questions comes off extremely creepy, i dont think you are being objective at all, i think your are getting off on this....

Have some respect for the guy, its rude to speak ill of the dead. David contributed a lot to the movie world and the youth of this country with his movies and personality....remember him for that

Looking at a photo of the tabloid you can see his legs are bent and his feet are touching the ground.

It would be easy to tie the noose before hand as well as tying the genitals as well. Then all he would need to do is tie his wrists (not really easy but possible). After everything is set up all he would need to do is walk into the noose and leg his legs bend.

If my guess is correct he would only have straightened his legs just before he passed out and living. Either he passed out before he realized it or he tried to go a bit further hoping for a “better” feeling.

I still wonder if someone else was not there simply because of the location, but the photo does look like it would be possible (not easy) to pull off on a solo adventure. I still find the idea rather strange as well as many of the other sexual fetishes I have become aware of (human behavior is interesting to say the least). There is a whole culture of people out there that mutilate their genitals to get pleasure from it (stuff that will make you cringe); this is the extreme of the BME culture. When I first heard just a little about this story the first thing that came to mind was a BSDM sort of thing mixed with a bit of CBT (all I can and will say is ouch) gone awry.


One thing I believe is certain and that is that few knew of this side of the man.

Raist

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask

That's nothing, all you have to do is mention something "alternative" amd the pervs come out of the woodwork. This sick part is who they usually are!