Debris removed from the Atlantic is not from the airplane of Air France, says Aeronautics

Where is the results of those wonderful American's and their satellites they promised? Probably watching Obama.

Top stories on the news, Obamamania. I want to see about the Air France progress not Obama.

How long can an intact plane cabin retain air under water and what pressures can it withstand? How long can it float for?

Don't planes have a jetsonable floating signal boye for distress? If not they should.




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www.google.com...

link to the passenger list. a few doctors, a coca cola executive and many steel workers?? hmmmmm........

Originally posted by grantbeed
www.google.com...

link to the passenger list. a few doctors, a coca cola executive and many steel workers?? hmmmmm........

hmmmm what?

the most interesting occupation on this list has to be this chinese man -

Xiao Xiang, 35; of Jiangxi Province, China; of the Chinese Academy of Sciences' Institute of Engineering Thermophycis

en.wikipedia.org...

bet this guy knew some interesting stuff.

In the BBC report there is a bit I don't understand:

A Spanish pilot flying in the area at the time of the crash was quoted by his airline, Air Comet, as saying he had seen an "intense flash of white light, which followed a descending and vertical trajectory and which broke up in six seconds".

Is he talking about the flash following a descending and vertical trajectory or is this pilot claiming he saw the plane go down? What broke up in six seconds? It does seem very vague and ambiguous.

Well, we have a strange situation here, no doubt. I wonder is there a possibility that two jets collided over there, and debris recover until now belong to the other jet? If so, are we facing a cover-up of some kind?

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Don't planes have a jetsonable floating signal boye for distress? If not they should.

Yeah...the rafts have a lot of emergency equipment, including an ELT with a water-activated battery.

Of course, that presumes a controlled water landing and successful evacuation...obviously, not the case here.

I think that this is VERY weird, not because they found other debris from another plane, but the fact that they found it in the same area Air France was taking. I remember watching the enws and they said that the technology they used to find the planes pathway helped find the debris.
So if there is TWO plane crashes in the SAME area, then just think about the rest of what the ocean may look like, and how many other planes do crash without getting reported. I think that this discovery will bring out a lot more information not only about Air France one, but about many other air flights that go missing without being reported. That is IF the mainstream reports on that(which they probably wont). Something smells fishy though thats for sure.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
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Don't planes have a jetsonable floating signal boye for distress? If not they should.

Yeah...the rafts have a lot of emergency equipment, including an ELT with a water-activated battery.

Of course, that presumes a controlled water landing and successful evacuation...obviously, not the case here.

I was thinking something automatic when on water or under it or automaticlly jetsoned teathered if critical failure.

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The list is by no means complete. The british and norwegians are missing (Oil men and colleagues of someone in my family) There are not 228 names there.

I think Air Frances wanted an easy closure to claim the insurance and close up the responsibilities and press coverage.

We really need a full list of who exactly was on that plane, nationality, job, 'other interests' etc as this story is becoming more and more suspicious.
Someone had to be 'taken out' and someone high up may have had something to hide, like a missile strike for instance.

It has happened before ...... and may well happen again!

Originally posted by Elliot
We really need a full list of who exactly was on that plane, nationality, job, 'other interests' etc as this story is becoming more and more suspicious.
Someone had to be 'taken out' and someone high up may have had something to hide, like a missile strike for instance.

It has happened before ...... and may well happen again!

I doubt this was the case. I am more interested in the cargo manifest.

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Very strange story. Is it possible the plane disintegrated BEFORE it hit the ocean? If not all of the plane, enough so no one can find the remaining pieces?

Are there any experiments that were done about how fast an airplane (this type) disintegrates and at which speeds? If someone can find out, it would explain everything!

My apologies. I see we do.

But, oil workers in the UK have been noting 'strange' flying craft escorted by US fighters. Smething to do with the 'Aurora' project. A craft that can fly by thermo propulsion (sorry not one hundred percent on these new techno babble stuff) leaving circular trails and at 8000 mph. Then, helicopters transporting these men who had been recording these craft started dropping from the sky.
I believe one of these men worked on a british oil rig.
What did he know?

Originally posted by Elliot
My apologies. I see we do.

But, oil workers in the UK have been noting 'strange' flying craft escorted by US fighters. Smething to do with the 'Aurora' project. A craft that can fly by thermo propulsion (sorry not one hundred percent on these new techno babble stuff) leaving circular trails and at 8000 mph. Then, helicopters transporting these men who had been recording these craft started dropping from the sky.
I believe one of these men worked on a british oil rig.
What did he know?

Why cause more attention when you can just flag him as a loony. I seriously doubt this was the case.

I thought my dad would know Erich Heine since he was in the steel industry and did business with Iscor in the 90's but he can't remember if he does or not.

This story is very interesting, I'm going to spend the weekend digging around to see what I can find. Once we get a full list of names we can begin looking into their lives and see if we can find a possible motive or two.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
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This is just getting weirder and weirder.

Ok, they find a bunch of crap floating in the ocean. The fuel appears to be of a type used by airplanes, and the debris might have come from a plane, just not the Air France plane? Or it all might have come from a ship? But nothing came from the Air France plane?

Ok... if not from the Air France plane, then where did all this crap come from? Is someone else missing a plane and not reporting it, or is there a lost ship not yet reported?

Or are we losing something in the translation of these articles? Are the foreign presses simply not talking to each other, or are the different agencies not communicating? Why do all the English language news websites still believe all this debris is from the plane, but the Brazillians are saying no?

Are the Brazillians simply making premature judgements?

Questions, questions. Somehow, either the Brazillians are extremely confused, or something very weird is afoot.

So a ship shot down the airplane and they are covering up the truth with this " story" ..

Am I the only one thinking this???

Flaggin people as a 'looney' no longer works anymore.

That's why we're all here. We don't fear the 'looney' label anymore.

As for project Aurora, these trails left by this plane have been recorded by google Earth as bizarre circular trails and people are starting to talk about them.

Originally posted by LucidDreamer85

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
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This is just getting weirder and weirder.

Ok, they find a bunch of crap floating in the ocean. The fuel appears to be of a type used by airplanes, and the debris might have come from a plane, just not the Air France plane? Or it all might have come from a ship? But nothing came from the Air France plane?

Ok... if not from the Air France plane, then where did all this crap come from? Is someone else missing a plane and not reporting it, or is there a lost ship not yet reported?

Or are we losing something in the translation of these articles? Are the foreign presses simply not talking to each other, or are the different agencies not communicating? Why do all the English language news websites still believe all this debris is from the plane, but the Brazillians are saying no?

Are the Brazillians simply making premature judgements?

Questions, questions. Somehow, either the Brazillians are extremely confused, or something very weird is afoot.

So a ship shot down the airplane and they are covering up the truth with this " story" ..

Am I the only one thinking this???

Conflict of interests, Air France's interests is financial, Brazilian air force isn't. Don't forget the Brazil air force was the first one to state it reported pressure loss, Air France did not.

Where is the wreckage then? Those American satellites they promised would have spotted it I'm sure. That is, if the American's actually delivered on their promise.



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