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North Korea Has The Right To Self-Defense!

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posted on May, 28 2009 @ 06:53 PM
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North Korea Has The Right To Self-Defense!


www.pslweb.org

"It is the view of the Joint Chiefs of Staff that the necessary air, naval, and ground operations, including the extensive strategic and tactical use of atomic bombs, be undertaken, so as to obtain maximum surprise and maximum impact on the enemy, both militarily and psychologically." The chilling decision, as communicated in the above words by Gen. Omar Bradley, was made on May 19, 1953.

It was only North Korea’s signing of the truce in July of that year that averted the nuclear destruction...
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on May, 28 2009 @ 06:53 PM
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Masterpiece to understand North Korean point of view --- just emerged to the net in English --- This is important to read, to better understand how things is seen in the other side --- Its not a joke, but the way how they see you - "Evil Yanks!"



"All people in North Korea know the history of U.S. nuclear threats, massive carpet bombing, invasion and massacres against their country. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica of 1967, more than 5 million Korean people died during the war between June 25, 1950 and the conclusion of military hostilities in July 1953.

Today, Korea is threatened with a new war and the government of North Korea is preparing for military conflict."


... And this type of news has come out there for decades.

This article/news deserved this own thread to get well noticed, but I promote also following thread for further discussions and to postings from latest developing situation in Korea;
www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.pslweb.org
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 28-5-2009 by JanusFIN]



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 06:58 PM
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Oh boy, i guess then you would have agreed with letting North Korea murder and take over south Korea completely just because you agree with the Communist dictatorship?....

The dictatorship of North Korea doesn't give a crap about it's people, they just want their dictatorship to continue to exist and to expand, which is what die hard Communists want.

North Korea would carpet bomb, and set nuclear blast against the South just as well, would you agree with this jsut because it is what the Communist dictatorship wants?



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 07:04 PM
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Great. So now NK self defense equals the right for them to overtake S Korea? I love the logic on ATS.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 07:07 PM
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reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


Here is the thing I think you guys are falling into. The "buzzwords". While i agree that NK needs to be handled and is out of control, this on-going "communist dictatorship" phenomenon is getting a little tooo....dumbed down. Communism is a wing of Marxism as is Socialism. Dictators, Fascists, kings and potentates are another matter. i don't mean to split hairs but if you want to provide an on-point arguement, please familiarize yourselves with the meanings of said various terms.
NK is not a communist nation although they identify with it. They are an Oligarchy whom wraps themselves into a flag of communism.


[edit on 28-5-2009 by djvexd]



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 07:12 PM
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Hey guys! - Seriously - If we post some news here - It doesnt mean that we are always backing it, or supporting the story of the news...
- News are worth many ways... Knowlege is the key and goal - Both sides of the coind has to be heard to understand aspects of it.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 07:14 PM
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where was it mentioned in this post, or anywhere that north korea want to "over take" south korea, or anyone?

this topic has now officialy bothered me ! .. this situation just reeks of hypocracy! its ok for usa, uk, france ..(add country here) to own and test nukes whenever they want, but when a country thats not in their "country club" wants the same things (nukes) the "country club" throws a wobbly, as their instantly matches with heavy fire power ?

has north korea actualy threatened anyone, in an aggressive antaganistic way? tbh, no, i dont think it could be called that, if anything a defensive protaganist.

all they have said is that if anyone messess with them, they will retalliate and defend themselfs.. thats fair aint it?

i think all the rumble atm is because north korea knows that this "country club" is out for blood, they dont want north korea to be on an equal footing, which is also fair , as noone wants to be weaker than their enemy .. but its doesnt make it right.

for a conspiricy based truth site, alot of users these days just dont seem to care about the facts, rather, they jump on the propeganda and go all out for bombing people....

i just hope this topic dont go the way of the gaza conflict not long ago. (by that i mean another influx of dis info and propeganda spreading types.)



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 07:20 PM
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Well, whether or not we care for N. Korea on a personal level is irrelevant. They should have the right to do what they will on the grounds of their own country. I don't condone their government or how they behave, but if the USA wasn't in their homeland business constantly they would be able to go upon theire merry way and we certainly wouldn't be a target. We reap what we sow.

The US has to get involved in EVERYTHING. It's ridiculous already. Let these damn people blow eachother to pieces if that's what they want. How and WHY (more importantly), is it out concern? If this country minded their own business efficiently and diligently FOR ONCE, then perhaps we woudn't be a target. Nor would we be in a compromising position.

Again, I emphasize that the US (IMHO) should keeps it's hands out of the cookie jar and let things evolve as they will in the rest of the world. FFS! They cannot even magage affairs here but yet this country has becom the 'know all' 'do all' for the rest of the Nation????????????? Please spare me already.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 07:20 PM
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So what you are saying is it is ok to provoke someone if you are behind a fence? Dogs jump fences.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by princeofpeace
Great. So now NK self defense equals the right for them to overtake S Korea? I love the logic on ATS.


It's weird how in different parts of the world we feel differently.

Israel overtakes more and more Palestinian land each day, for their self defense, but I guess that's different?


Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Oh boy, i guess then you would have agreed with letting North Korea murder and take over south Korea completely just because you agree with the Communist dictatorship?....


I'm not agreeing with the Original Post, and I do not believe the Original Poster believes that NK has the right to defend itself, he's just getting the word out. No need to take hostilities towards him.

If Mr. Fin doesn't tell you this, who will?

Another great find Janus, S+F.

[edit on 28-5-2009 by breakingdradles]



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by djvexd
reply to post by boaby_phet
 


So what you are saying is it is ok to provoke someone if you are behind a fence? Dogs jump fences.


how exactly has anyone provoked anyone in this conflict?

north korea have never said "we are making nukes so we can kill you all and take over the world" .. they have just said they want to be on a level playing field with other countrys who have nuke capability.

so please, tell me how they have provoked anyone? as from where im sitting, its america and the "country club" who are provoking north korea, by telling them they cant do what they themselfs do, or they will get sanctions and possibly bombed, id say thats way more provoking talk than korea.



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 08:48 AM
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Some people here are so hypocritical its unbelievable.

They call on us, there fellow citizens to storm the White House taking back our country from the NWO and the Bildeberger's of the world, yet...

They are super pissed when North Korea is trying to get weapons to defend themselves from the same evil people.

Here is a better way to point out their hypocrisy.

Think of North Korea going to a pawn shop and buying a really big gun for self defense. Now some bloke walks in a suit and dark glasses and says "hey you can't have that and if you don't give it up, we will harm you". So what would 99% of people on this BB who just happen to be at the gun store say? ....I'm sure it would be something relating to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Seems a bit over the top eh? but the fact is it isn't.

When some redneck thinks the government is out to steal his trailer he buys a weapon that he thinks will do the job in protecting him and his Official 1987 Nascar tire coffee table.

North Korea is doing the same thing, only that the gun they need has to be really big to deal with something like the U.S. military.

Do you see how hypocritical some of you all sound. You can't have an NWO\Bildeberg conspiracy world and a totally righteous U.S.A.. You have to choose one or the other.

Iran, North Korea etc. etc. understand how the elite bankers and their economic hit men operate and they are doing whatever it takes to defend their way of life.





[edit on 29-5-2009 by AllexxisF1]



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 09:01 AM
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Everybody chooses sides, this is the human nature. However your description of N.Korea going into the store and buying stuff for self defence lacks explanation for why the same North Korea several days ago unilaterally ended truce that both Koreas had since 1950s. Is is also for self defense? Did South Korea just tested nuke or vice versa?
I know a lot of dictators that hid behind same claims to do ugly stuff.



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by djvexd
So what you are saying is it is ok to provoke someone if you are behind a fence? Dogs jump fences.


That is a fair enough point.. but is it ok to provoke and threaten sovereign nations because you are wealthier, have a massive war machine and don't agree with them?

Because thats whats happening AGAIN!!



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 09:12 AM
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I think that was all rhetoric from North Korea that the armistice is now void. Their would be a huge declaration from North Korea to the United Nations stating that as fact, moreover it would imply that war is back on and fighting can resume underway.

I believe they were inferring that if any of their ships get stopped and boarded than it would void the armistice.

Everyone chooses sides, but rarely do people look at a situation from the other point of view.

If I were Kim Jong Il I would be getting a nuke as fast as possibly in order to have a carrot to bring to the table to get normalized relations.



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
North Korea several days ago unilaterally ended truce that both Koreas had since 1950s. Is is also for self defense?


No.. its because of the sanctions, threats and illegal activities of other nations provoking it..

Remember.. this all started when N.Korea wanted to launch a 'satellite' into space.. which is any sovereign countries right.

Since then it has been sanction after sanction and threat after threat.. same as Iraq, Iran etc etc.



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 09:18 AM
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Of course they have the right to Self-Defense....
Right up until their Self-Defense threatens the safety of other nations... be that the fall-out on their own soil that's now drifting over Japan or by selling weapons to radical groups bent on destabalizing the mid-east regions...

think of it as living next door to a crack house... you know one of these days that house is going to blow up... the real question then becomes will they hook your kids on crack before they blow themselves up?

Do you really sit around and wait to see which happens first or do you call someone in to make that problem go away...



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by DaddyBare
Of course they have the right to Self-Defense....
Right up until their Self-Defense threatens the safety of other nations... be that the fall-out on their own soil that's now drifting over Japan or by selling weapons to radical groups bent on destabalizing the mid-east regions...


You mean like when we tested thousands of atomic and nuclear weapons in the Pacific pouring fall out all over the place.

Or when we sold Iraq chemical weapons which subsequently killed 68,000 Iranians in their bloody war in the mid eighties.

Hypocrisy is a ***** aint it.



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 09:59 AM
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Its not Hypocrisy it's apples and oranges...
When we tested atomic weapons we had no idea what a monster we'd created, it was though that testing we learned the gain wasn't worth the cost... As to selling chemicals in a free market... I'm free to sell you a gallon of gasoline under the assumption that you will use that raw product to fuel your car or lawnmower... if however I latter learn your really making molotov cocktails with it ... not only will I stop selling you that gas its quite likely i will make an attempt to stop you finding another source and making more...

Hypocrisy my friend is to claim a vicious animal has every right to bite you because he's afraid you'll bite him first!

[edit on 29-5-2009 by DaddyBare]



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by DaddyBare
reply to post by AllexxisF1
 


Its not Hypocrisy it's apples and oranges...
When we tested atomic weapons we had no idea what a monster we'd created, it was though that testing we learned the gain wasn't worth the cost...


Are you seriously suggesting that the U.S. government and its scientist had no idea about the damages of nuclear fall out throughout the thousands of nuclear tests?


As to selling chemicals in a free market... I'm free to sell you a gallon of gasoline under the assumption that you will use that raw product to fuel your car or lawnmower... if however I latter learn your really making molotov cocktails with it ... not only will I stop selling you that gas its quite likely i will make an attempt to stop you finding another source and making more...


Maybe you should read up on your history better, because not only did Reagan supply the Iranians with manufactured chemical ordnance, he also allowed the C.I.A. to help with planning, logistics and how best to use the weapons along with spy satellite shots.

Here is a quick refresher..


According to Washington Post journalist Bob Woodward, in a December 15, 1986 article, the CIA began to secretly supply Iraq with intelligence in 1984 that was used to "calibrate" mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops. Beginning in early 1985, the CIA provided Iraq with "data from sensitive US satellite reconnaissance photography ... to assist Iraqi bombing raids".

Iraqi chemical attacks on Iranian troops--and US assistance to Iraq--continued throughout the Iran-Iraq war. In a parallel program, the US defense department also provided intelligence and battle-planning assistance to Iraq.


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Hypocrisy my friend is to claim a vicious animal has every right to bite you because he's afraid you'll bite him first!


Are we talking about the Iraq War now?

Hypocrisy 101.

[edit on 29-5-2009 by AllexxisF1]



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