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Obama to unveil big increase in required mpg

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posted on May, 19 2009 @ 02:44 PM
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Just as with Chrysler, GM is contemplating being owned by the U.S. and UAW.
"GM bankruptcy plan eyes quick sale to government"
www.reuters.com...

The end of capitalism is right at Obama's fingertips. He (and his betrothed following mass) is almost there.

jw




posted on May, 19 2009 @ 03:03 PM
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Le lion est mort.

We get to look forward to higher prices for fuel, food and commodities in exchange for driving Euro-trash?

No thanks. Peugeot, Renault and Citroen wouldn't even exist were it not for direct government payments of over $10bn in subsidies this year alone!
The French goverment already owns big stakes in these poor excuses for "free market" dynamics. Keep the socialist agenda where it belongs, in France.

By the way, the Sentra and Versa (Nissan models for Renault Megane and Clio platforms) are already here. How big of a market share have they captured with their design and performance?

Deny ignorance.

jw



posted on May, 19 2009 @ 04:59 PM
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Le lion est mort.

Pas du tout.

We get to look forward to higher prices for fuel, food and commodities in exchange for driving Euro-trash?

You've always and forever got to enjoy lower prices than most everybody else. Might have something to do with the main petroleum producing nations, members of OPEC, serendipitously using the USD as reserve currency and the currency in which oil is priced and traded, might it not?

One might even dare postulate that Baghdad's switch from the dollar to the euro for oil trading might have something to do with the ensuing invasion and occupation, might one not?


No thanks. Peugeot, Renault and Citroen wouldn't even exist were it not for direct government payments of over $10bn in subsidies this year alone!
The French goverment already owns big stakes in these poor excuses for "free market" dynamics. Keep the socialist agenda where it belongs, in France.

Only an American would refrain from purchasing a subsidised car, especially if it's subsidised by someone else's government and competing for a different market segment than your rather modest autochthonous (domestic) manufacturer's models, only on the basis of it being "socialism." Except it's not when you do it, unless you're under a Dem Administration, that is...

You should know, the competition in Europe is far, far fiercer than anything you know over the pond. There are cars from Fiat/Alfa Romeo/Lancia, Peugeot/Citroen, Renault/Nissan/Dacia, VW/Audi/Skoda/Seat, BMW, Opel, Honda, Suzuki, Mercedes, Volvo, Saab, Ford, etc.

The typical european customer is more informed, more discerning, more exigent and maybe smarter than your average Joe (we mostly don't drive slushboxes, at least). Also, the market is rather saturated and people don't change cars like they do underwear.

I can tell you don't know or care a lot about cars or brand history by the way you disparage Citroen. I wonder what you'd have to say about the 1.6 THP 175 engine from Peugeot & BMW, for instance.


By the way, the Sentra and Versa (Nissan models for Renault Megane and Clio platforms) are already here. How big of a market share have they captured with their design and performance?

I've never even heard of those... things before. Interesting. I suppose they're not even trying.
So you disparage French makes. What about Opel, VW, Audi, etc.? I read VW has got quite a following in the states.

I think the Opel Insignia is a very good car, for what that's worth. I also like the Astra H.


Deny ignorance.

Implausible deniability.

jw

Btw, what car do you drive? I presume it's a slushbox sedan or SUV with an aspirated gasser, 3.0 litre at the minimum, that puts out 50 PS per litre and measly torque. Amirite?



posted on May, 19 2009 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by SonyAD

Btw, what car do you drive? I presume it's a slushbox sedan or SUV with an aspirated gasser, 3.0 litre at the minimum, that puts out 50 PS per litre and measly torque. Amirite?


Nope. Try '86 BMW L7 and '03 Triumph Bonneville. Will keep both 'til they die.

My last car had 253,000 miles when I traded it for the BMW. Take care of your tools, and your tools take care of you.

jw



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