Its not likely that the Soviets would appreciate or be willing to sell the latest variants but I have no doubt that the CIA has been busy in this arean.

There are also many threads about Su-27's at Tonopah and these could be there to augment the force that already exists.

Cool find though

We had the "Constant Peg" program which had MiG-17's, 21's and 23's. Which I am guessing that is what FredT was talking about. They used them for aggressor training and the like. But its cool to here they have a few Flankers. God if I were John Travolta I would ditch the airliners and go for MiG's and Su's. The U.S Army also operates a few Russian slicks like the Mi-2, 8 and 24. (Hoplite, Hip, Hind)



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Originally posted by FredT
Its not likely that the Soviets would appreciate or be willing to sell the latest variants but I have no doubt that the CIA has been busy in this arean.

I would say its pretty impossible for the Soviets to sell the US anything...

Originally posted by kilcoo316
I would say its pretty impossible for the Soviets to sell the US anything...

The Soviets sold so much stuff to so many people even I could buy some (given enough money)

And the yanks arn't above selling of older stuff... Iran has all those ageing F-14's - anyone know if they came directly from the USA? I doubt it, they would of come through an intermediary me thinks.

Originally posted by Now_Then
And the yanks arn't above selling of older stuff... Iran has all those ageing F-14's - anyone know if they came directly from the USA? I doubt it, they would of come through an intermediary me thinks.

Nope. The F-14A's that Iran has were a new buy back when the Shah was in power. Came as a downselect between the F-15 and the Tomcat. Almost all were delivered except a few which were embargoed. They have never been upgraded and out of the 100 only a few are flying anymore.

Originally posted by Now_Then
And the yanks arn't above selling of older stuff... Iran has all those ageing F-14's - anyone know if they came directly from the USA? I doubt it, they would of come through an intermediary me thinks.

Nope. The F-14A's that Iran has were a new buy back when the Shah was in power. Came as a downselect between the F-15 and the Tomcat. Almost all were delivered except a few which were embargoed. They have never been upgraded and out of the 100 only a few are flying anymore.

Originally posted by FredT
Its not likely that the Soviets would appreciate or be willing to sell the latest variants but I have no doubt that the CIA has been busy in this arean.

There are also many threads about Su-27's at Tonopah and these could be there to augment the force that already exists.

Cool find though

Ummm... no offense but is it 1981 were you live? "The Soviets" cant sell anyone anything because they don't exist. It is my understanding they are called Russians now since they are no longer communist.

I agree with Now_Then though. The former USSR would have and did sell lots of stuff to anyone that was willing to buy. I don't see why they wouldn't sell older planes to the US. If there is some cash on the line why not. Its not like the US doesn't have countermeasures for them already.

Originally posted by Now_Then
The Soviets sold so much stuff to so many people even I could buy some (given enough money)

But you wouldn't be buying it off Soviets now would you?


Tenses people, tenses....


Ye'd think we'd never moved on from the 1980s!

Originally posted by 3vilscript
[Ummm... no offense but is it 1981 were you live? "The Soviets" cant sell anyone anything because they don't exist. It is my understanding they are called Russians now since they are no longer communist.

Wake up and smell the Putin Yes thier hav ebeen some changes, but you only have to look as far as the conflict last year in Georgia to see that the bear is stirring eh?

Originally posted by FredT
but you only have to look as far as the conflict last year in Georgia to see that the bear is stirring eh?

Really?



And has the mujahideen in Afghanistan taught you folks nothing?

Ignorant to the bitter end.

FredT is right, nothing much has really changed.

When it comes to these aircraft, however, that's more interesting. Putin would not allow aircraft to be sold from Russian to be sold to the USA- puts a damper on the exports to other countries that way.

I understand a bunch of Moldovian MiG29s ended up in the US a few years ago, and I've a funny feeling the 29s from the former DDR made their way there too (no sources on that, just some recollection from the back of my head).

Some have come from secret sources- like the aircraft that was sold off by some Eastern Bloc general to the US back in the 80s (I would suspect Poland). In fact, an aviation museum in the US wasn't allowed to show the cockpit of one of their MiGs off because it would have revealed where it came from (originally one of the secret MiGs). I understand the Hinds the US Army flies have the same caveat.

Regardless, interesting stuff.

Originally posted by FredT
Aside from your typical Eurocentric trash talking what exactly does that have to do with the topic at hand?

Hi Fred,

Eurocentric? How?

C0bzz
Spending levels have nothing to do with mentality, outlook, and territorial desires.

Beside the fact that spending levels are in my knowledge the only way to accomplish territorial desires? How can you have a imperialist mentality/outlook and NOT spend more than you can afford as the Pentagon expenditure so succintly proves?

In fact its worse than cold war Soviets, Putin is more of a modern Stalin.

Stalin was kind of unique in that way and no one after or before were quite so ambitious; Hitler ( and many others) in my opinion rightly feared Stalin as the man who who thought that capitalism would have to met on the field of battle to really check it's terribly influence on the world.

In that i don't want to suggest that Stalins model society were 'better' but that it was the twisted product of the same fear that has undermined the efforts of countries such as Cuba, North Korea and Vietnam to not only be independent but be allowed independent social and economic models.

How you can compare Putin to Stalin i don't know but i suspect there is not much reason, in terms of factual date you can point me to, being employed in the process.

Stellar

Originally posted by FredT
Aside from your typical Eurocentric trash talking what exactly does that have to do with the topic at hand?

Question: What country is currently running half way across the world to impose "regime change"?


Answer: Not f**king Russia.



Sometimes you yanks need to get your head our of your own asses and see where your government* has led you. Blind patriotism is leading you nowhere good... just like in 1930s Germany.

But you all truly believe your media are telling you the whole truth and nothing but the truth, then come down on people that tell you different.


*read - corporations that pay for the "ticket"