Are creationists unknowingly working for a foreign entity?

If you want to become technologically the most advanced nation in the world, what is it that you have to do?

Well it's quite simple. You have to invest a lot of money in scientific research. Your problem is of course that all the other nations are doing the same, so you aren't really making any headway. Enter Creationists. During Bush administration when fundamentalist Christians got to dictate policies, America fell behind in some of the most important fields of science. There's no question about it. Nowadays the scientific center of biotechnology is the European Union. America is at least 5 years behind at this point. All the brilliant minds working in this field move to Europe from all around the world. Thank you American creationists, you made it happen! It's because of you and your anti-Science agenda that things are the way they are now.

I'm just thinking. Perhaps the EU secretly funded these fundamentalists in America and made them what they are now? Haha it would be an absolutely brilliant play!

This could of course be only the beginning. Imagine if "we" manage to sneak God into your science classes. Your next generation of scientists will be so clueless. Instead of wondering on causes "goddidit" will be burned into their minds, and they'll never get anything done. New World Order! EU will dominate!

[edit on 3-5-2009 by rhinoceros]

It would be interesting to trace the funding for the Institute for Creation Research and Discovery Institute back to their sources. The red faces would be fun to see if their names were published.

reply to post by Gawdzilla


It would be absolutely brilliant if most of their funding came from overseas.

In my view, what worries me about creationists, the main concern I have is rejection of the scientific method. It works and can be proven. No I don't think a overseas nation is infuencing such thinking. Were digging our own own grave by the rejection the scientofic method. (please forgive my spelling is dreadfull, and spell checker is down).

Where exactly is America falling behind Europe on research? I dont see any evidence of this.

Originally posted by rhinoceros
reply to post by Gawdzilla

 

It would be absolutely brilliant if most of their funding came from overseas.

I can picture them watching the dollar-yuan exchange rate closely. Lovely picture.

reply to post by justsomeboreddude


Pick up a scientific journal and browse it for articles concerning biotech. At the beginning of each article you'll see in which University the authors work at. There you'll see the European dominance.

And I'm sure that there's more than just that angle. I've been befriending many brilliant Swedes lately around my job and they all went to school for free, while our college prices have skyrocketed out of reach for many. On a side note the next time I hear someone complain about "socialism" I'm going to knock them out with a hammer and put my student loans on their face with a Swedish flag.

Whatever, I'm too tired from babysitting my friends dog to think clearly, post sources, or do anything useful. The little assface keeps me up at night.


All I'm saying is that this is a very insightful concept. It absolutely seems like the USA is being dumbed down intentionally. Now I hate religion as much as the next smart guy, but I think that placing all of the blame there is incorrect. I'm sure there are many factors working synergistically here.

Perhaps the thread title should be changed?

This should be investigated.

You really haven't demonstrated any connection at all, just demonstrated your personal bigotry. America is falling behind in all industries due to outsourcing. It's about money. It won't matter much in year or so when the world economy collapses due to our insane spending policies. Probably the only biology anyone will be concerned with will be growing something to eat.

So, in respects to comments made, with little. or should I say NO, effort to offer anything that resembles a detailed investigation with anything that seems like "Credible", lets see what can be found to validate these assertions by those with nothing but contempt for Creationists, and who embrace the Theology of Science and the "Theory of Evolution" as doctrine.

We find some Names being presented.

The Institute for Creation Research is first noted by Godzilla

www.icr.org...
Here's the Mission statement and several associations which provide Outside oversight of the ICR.

The Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability (ECFA)
The Independent Charities Seal of Excellence
Charity Navigator

Terms and words such as, demonstrated exceptional financial health, been able to certify, document, and demonstrate on an annual basis that ICR meets the highest standards of public accountability, program effectiveness, and cost effectiveness, and that faithfully demonstrate compliance with established standards for financial accountability, fundraising, and board governance.

We can see the personel involved, and review show's no Overseas connections at all. www.icr.org...
All Members here, studied specifically in America. No Members came from Europa.

We can look at the Founder, Dr Henry Morris
]url]http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/morrish.html[/url]

Nothing seems to be "Questionable" as outline in previous comments.

We also see the National Creation Science Foundation is tied to ICR.

The National Creation Science Foundation’s mission statement reads:

To promote the progress of creation science, especially creation science investigations and analysis in biosciences, astrophysics, geosciences, ecology, and technological sciences, as well as related areas of specialized scholarly research (such as forensic science analysis applied to DNA-aided demographic history, post-Flood biogeography, or Christian apologetics applied to history/archaeology), so that such scholarly research is designed and useful for analyzing the biblical account of creation, the Fall in Eden, the worldwide Flood, the division of languages, or other aspects of creation history as it is described within Genesis chapters 1 through 11.

We find, Hundreds of scientists from around the world, are associated thru the Creation Research Society.www.creationresearch.org...
Their Board of Directors seem like a normal group. Nice Picture of them as well. Some seemed to have International Schooling, but not many.
www.creationresearch.org...

In no case, so far, has anything Specific to the Claims or Ponderances show any involvement of "Secretive Groups inbedded within the Funding, and quite to the opposite, they seem to be a Donation Oriented Organization.

There is enough links with Sitemap assess to view yourself, inorder to find some credible evidence for the "Assertions Made", for the ICR, so let's move on.

Also noted by Godzilla was the Discovery Institute.
www.discovery.org...
Other than it's Cascadia Matter, and it's views on the U.S. and Canada, there seems nothing here is amiss.

The Technology Section shows the following.

Discovery Institute's Technology and Democracy Project (TDP) supports technology as the key engine for economic growth and seeks to free its natural advancement from the burdens of undue government regulation.

www.discovery.org...

The Organization has a varied group of Americans which again, show no "Foreign" associations in the past, with the exception of the Ultimate Leftist, Henry Kissenger.
www.discovery.org...
Quite a high level of Expreince in the "Real World" is evident here as well.

Review of both sites do not seem to indicate anything "Strange" is occuring, with Shady Charaters, (Kissenger excluded), or Smoking Guns.
They both seem to be operating as American Organization with International Membership welcomed, but not apparent.

Take time to review as much as you can.

But let's be certain of one thing. They Both have Foreign Interests and Foreign Adjendas.

That being GOD and His Interests and Adjendas.

Ciao

Shane


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No God didn't get slipped into anything quite the opposite in fact. As far as the aliens go for controlling things that sounds more feasible than God?

Originally posted by watchtheashes
No God didn't get slipped into anything quite the opposite in fact. As far as the aliens go for controlling things that sounds more feasible than God?

Actually, yes. There is more possibility for life in the Universe than there is for a great sky fairy. We're proof that it CAN happen. We await proof that it happened elsewhere. And it will probably be a much longer wait for proof that they've been here and are/have been controlling things, of course.

Creationists must be anti Illuminati like Tom Hanks.

The Illuminati are anti freedom so the must deny creation.

If you knew all of what God created like the Illuminati and
keep all the secrets you will see why Creationists are not
liked by the Illuminati.

I fail to see why evolution and creationism must be separate.

Evolution actually makes perfect sense in terms of creationism. I create programs all the time. And all the signs you see in evolution you will also find in the programs I create. I have parts that carry on from program to program, some of the same elements change over time into better functions, and the code that is most fit to do the functions I need carry on.

I keep a library of code I use all the time, and even get junk code that is not used carrying on between them. I may link to an entire library and use only 1 bit of code for it. Thus the program itself gets alot of junk code.

These basic libraries are kept usually in system folders, or other "dimensions" away from the program itself, but a simply configuration change at the program level itself and you can introduce tons of changes.

Pretty much every windows based program and so forth, all use the same basic code base.

If I created a program called "cat" one day, I would use a bit of code. if I created "dog" the next day, I would use a good bit of the code. if I created monkey one day, and then man the next, you would likely see a good bit of the same code.

Cells are self reproducing nanobots, dna is the code they follow on the "program" level, each doing it's unique and assigned job. And the study of genetics is the reverse engineering of this biological technology.

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"I create programs all the time. And all the signs you see in evolution you will also find in the programs I create."

And you are not a god, I think. (Praise be to you if you are, of course.) You're just a human being, and your programs don't require a supernatural being. Same with evolution. It's a "luck of the draw" thing, not a directed thing.

Originally posted by watchtheashes
No God didn't get slipped into anything quite the opposite in fact. As far as the aliens go for controlling things that sounds more feasible than God?

AAHhhhhhh......

But are they not the Same, at some level?

Who exactly do you believe Aliens are???

What is it that Aliens today do?? Abductions?

What is occuring? For the most part, sexual experiments, and possible Hybrid Creation?

Sound Familiar??

This is exactly what is expressed in the following.

Genesis 6:/4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children (Hybrid Children) to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Why is it, the "Events" that surround "Aliens" today, seem to have start in earnest during the late 40's and earlier 50's? Why is it they seemingly have increased since that time?

Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

They? The Sons of God. Which Sons? The Fallen Angels. What do we refer to these as today? Aliens!

Why? Why is it happening?

Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

This fig tree is a re-established / re-born Israel.

It is the season for this to be happening. Harvest time is coming, and so is the Revised Roman Empire, affectionately known as the New World Order.

Originally posted byTeslaandLyne

If you knew all of what God created like the Illuminati and
keep all the secrets you will see why Creationists are not
liked by the Illuminati.

There are other considerations that should be engaged here as well.

The Illuminati. What is their Goal?

It's Simple. Thier secret aim is clearly spoken of several times in the Bible.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

and

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

for a couple of examples. Daniel, as noted above also had some reflections about this. All of the Verses can be found at
www.jesus-is-lord.com...

So, what is it this is refering to? The Illuminati seek to place their god in the Holy Temple. That god, Satan, the Beast, The Dragon, The Snake, the Accuser, the Abomination of Desolation (A reference to his Pre-Recreation falling and following war), and so on and on and on.

But the important thing that needed to be considered here is, the Illuminati also believe the events outlined in Genesis. Their own god, believes this. There is no denial about these events. Why is this important to them? It is simply attempting to take back what they feel their FAMILY lost in the Flood. They are ultimately the same Bloodline as Cain. They are of their father, (Ultimate Father - The Leader of the Fallen Angels, That old serpent first mentioned in the Garden).

Anyways, just something to ponder on!

Ciao

Shane

Originally posted by Gawdzilla
"I create programs all the time. And all the signs you see in evolution you will also find in the programs I create."

And you are not a god, I think. (Praise be to you if you are, of course.) You're just a human being, and your programs don't require a supernatural being. Same with evolution. It's a "luck of the draw" thing, not a directed thing.

I am god and I am arguing with myself.

I don't need no divining rod,
to show me where the water lies.
And I don't need no preacher,
to show me god.
I can see him, shinning in your eyes.

I'm walking,
over the hill.
haven't got it together yet,
But before I'm over the hill I will.

Looking to see the light,
Hoping I can last all night,
Hoping that I live to see the light.



And sorry, but my programs did need me, and yes I am a "supernatural" being by your definition of the word.

They didn't just randomly appear, and it's not just luck that the programs I sit down and write exist.

Consciousness(god) creates logic, not the other way around. The laws of physics and this universe/creation are nothing more than logic applied.

Calling programs that exist in this world "luck of the draw" is downright funny.

[edit on 6-5-2009 by badmedia]