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Topic started on 30-4-2009 @ 08:09 AM by Jnewell33
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U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder's private firm represents 17 Yemeni detainees held at GITMO. How can he say he will protect this country when he
has a vested effort in trying to release murderers who want to kill us?
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reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 08:18 AM by JohnnyCanuck
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Originally posted by Jnewell33
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder's private firm represents 17 Yemeni detainees held at GITMO. How can he say he will protect this country when he
has a vested effort in trying to release murderers who want to kill us?
What happened to the concept of everybody deserving a fair trial? If that's still gone...democracy lost. Your call.
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reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 12:29 PM by Jnewell33
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I am all for fair trials as long as both sides are equally represented, I just don't see how it is possible to for our U.S. AG to represent two
parties at the same time when one party wants us dead. Kinda like Obama saying we shall not torture no matter what, America has a set of principals
that need to be upheld. In my opinion this whole line of thinking is flawed. We elect our leaders to represent and protect us and in my opinion both
parties have done neither in the name of the American people. I wish people would realize our presidents have always done what was necessary to keep
us safe without thought of ideals or values, only safety for our children. When it comes to the lives and safety of my children I will throw ideals
and values out the window. I am not afraid to die or to kill for the safety of my family, but hey that's just me...anyone who takes up arms against
our military, especially combatants from other countries who create an exodus to the theater of war to kill our troops should be taken to labor camps
in my opinion. I don't really care if I am considered just like them, at least my family will be safe and in the worst case at least I will be
giving them a Reason to hate me and want to kill me. Twist em, tear em, and throw em away, that's what I think about those prisoners. Maybe a
little insensitive but I not much else really matters other than the safety of America, who really needs ideals when you are DEAD. Sorry, JMO
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reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 10:39 AM by Jnewell33
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I also think we deserve fair prosecutions as well. Fair trials are nice but I would have rather seen military tribunals for non-citizens captured on
foreign soil.
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reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 11:02 AM by andy1033
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The thing that gets me, is everyone thinks they are guilty.
What ever happened to innocent and the law needing to prove beyond any doubt, that they are murderers or what ever.
Precrime does not exist. It is just a way to kill innocent people, and america sure loves making up stuff and killing anyone they want.
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reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 12:18 PM by centurion1211
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Originally posted by andy1033
The thing that gets me, is everyone thinks they are guilty.
What ever happened to innocent and the law needing to prove beyond any doubt, that they are murderers or what ever.
This is exactly where you and other libs have it all mixed up. These are enemy combatants, not alleged criminals. As such, they do not
deserve and should not receive the same constitutional protections as a U.S. citizen does.
Still don't get it? Wait until one or all of these thugs gets off based on a PC technicality. Then wait and see what that does to obama's
presidency.
Precrime does not exist. It is just a way to kill innocent people, and america sure loves making up stuff and killing anyone they want.
The only possible answer to this comment is that it is total BS.
   
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reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 12:21 PM by andy1033
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My life was destroyed on such a thing, without me ever commited a crime. SO i know what rubbish precrime is.
We do not know anything about the people in gitmo, and your apathy shows of how you care about there rights.
America kills people just for thinking there country murders people. How many in the last 100 years, where killed by usa, just for either speaking out
against usa, or just thinking they hated usa?
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reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 12:26 PM by centurion1211
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Posted on another related thread:
Anyone that thinks having civilian trials in New York is a good idea should read the following. Don't shoot the messenger, just read the article
(for a change):
article
Are we at war – or not?
For if we are at war, why is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed headed for trial in federal court in the Southern District of New York? Why is he entitled to a
presumption of innocence and all of the constitutional protections of a U.S. citizen?
Is it possible we have done an injustice to this man by keeping him locked up all these years without trial? For that is what this trial implies –
that he may not be guilty.
And if we must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that KSM was complicit in mass murder, by what right do we send Predators and Special Forces to kill
his al-Qaida comrades wherever we find them? For none of them has been granted a fair trial.
When the Justice Department sets up a task force to wage war on a crime organization like the Mafia or MS-13, no U.S. official has a right to shoot
Mafia or gang members on sight. No one has a right to bomb their homes. No one has a right to regard the possible death of their wives and children in
an attack as acceptable collateral damage.
Yet that is what we do to al-Qaida, to which KSM belongs.
We conduct those strikes in good conscience because we believe we are at war. But if we are at war, what is KSM doing in a U.S. court?
Many valid comments/questions in this article, with no answers - valid or otherwise - coming from the administration.
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reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 12:32 PM by centurion1211
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Originally posted by andy1033
My life was destroyed on such a thing, without me ever commited a crime. SO i know what rubbish precrime is.
The gitmo prisoners are one thing and our personal experiences are another because our personal experiences do not affect national security.
Why you would choose to group yourself with the gitmo prisoners might be an interesting study in itself.
That said, I think I also know what you are talking about. The police in many places in the U.S. have changed from "to serve and protect" roles
into being nothing more than predators. Whether this is due to trying to make up budget shortfalls, or something else, I do not know.
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reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 02:51 PM by JohnnyCanuck
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Originally posted by centurion1211
The gitmo prisoners are one thing and our personal experiences are another because our personal experiences do not affect national security.
Why you would choose to group yourself with the gitmo prisoners might be an interesting study in itself.
Doing the right thing is doing the right thing. Bad guys are subject to due process just like the rest of us. When they are stripped of rights...then
they have won.
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reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 02:58 PM by andy1033
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Originally posted by centurion1211
Originally posted by andy1033
My life was destroyed on such a thing, without me ever commited a crime. SO i know what rubbish precrime is.
The gitmo prisoners are one thing and our personal experiences are another because our personal experiences do not affect national security.
Why you would choose to group yourself with the gitmo prisoners might be an interesting study in itself.
That said, I think I also know what you are talking about. The police in many places in the U.S. have changed from "to serve and protect" roles
into being nothing more than predators. Whether this is due to trying to make up budget shortfalls, or something else, I do not know.
You have no idea what i have been through in london. But i will say that just look at the irish innocent people who where locked up in uk, and they
did nothing, but the police just picked them up and accused them. The same hysteria arrived in uk. Those irish where tried and convicted, but as time
showed, they where framed by the police in uk, just for the police needed someone irish.
Irish peopel are still paying for the rubbish that went on, between teh two countries, and what do you guys think those innocent irish peopel felt
about being in prison for no reason, other than the murderers in teh police just making it all up.
Seems pretty similar story here in the gitmo thing and those people.
Like i said earlier this will probably be like the hungary trial that is quite famous on net where soviets had a priest who the west thought was
brainwashed on trial.
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reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 03:07 PM by Jnewell33
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What is the right thing. Most often I agree with your positions but on this one I can't concur. We are not in a conventional war where our
battalions are battling another nations security forces. These people are using every possible means to attack us, just as we must be afforded the
right to use any means to defend ourselves. Is it also not a gross conflict of interest that Eric Holder may have personally helped form the defense
strategy for the accused?
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reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 04:11 PM by JohnnyCanuck
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Originally posted by Jnewell33
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck
What is the right thing. Most often I agree with your positions but on this one I can't concur. We are not in a conventional war where our
battalions are battling another nations security forces. These people are using every possible means to attack us, just as we must be afforded the
right to use any means to defend ourselves. Is it also not a gross conflict of interest that Eric Holder may have personally helped form the defense
strategy for the accused?
When in doubt, fall back on the rule of law...not the politically expedient or popular decision. If it is our way of life on the line, if 'they hate
us for our freedoms' (Jayzus thunderin' #, I hate that phrase) and you play by the bad guys rules...they've won.
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