The one and only thing that has held a third party back in the past is that the people who do the work (The middle class) were too comfortable and complacent to get pissed off enough to rise up as one. Basically the banks subverted our country by suppressing opposition and purchasing peoples loyalty. We became fat, lazy and complacent.

Now that the economy is failing it is possible capitalize on peoples discontent with the present system and gain support for a third party.

I predict that the Republican and Democrat parties will merge into one party (Since they already are) and a new independant party will take form to oppose it. Since we know that the established authorities will not go quietly the people who support the tea parties can expect opposition from the establishment.

Since peaceful people will likely be oppressed by the establishment, the people will likely find support from domestic terrorists who will force change, until the establishment decides to let the voice of the people be heard.

I believe that you will find this story has played out before when the Irish formed the Irish Republican Army and Sinn Féin to oppose the rule of the english monarchy.

[edit on 18-4-2009 by In nothing we trust]

I see you did not include religion into your equation ...

Republicans are staunch supporters of anti-abortion movement which is integral part of the very core of republican ideology, this issue alone will prevent Republican and Democratic parties to ever unite in the future.

Never underestimate power of religion

I don't think the Tea Party is pissed off enough yet. I think there is more misery necessary before enough of the masses rise up to evoke a reaction from the main stream.
The major print ignored the Tea Party rallies, and only gave them back page minor coverage. They are scared for their Obama.
I believe the pro Obama forces believe these ralies are an attack against their man. But, the men pulling the strings, the real power people know these ralies are much more. Just as there are fundamental changes happing in the economy, changes that we have never seen in our lifetime, there are fundamental changes happening in a large portion of the "masses". It is much more than a simple anti Obama rally.
There are some real changes starting to happen now, and these rallies are only the beginning. Change can mean many things, and it's hard to tell what will happen when the real power people get scared of the "masses".
You think you've seen some wild , unheard of legislation coming out of Washington, let Washington think the "natives" are a little to restless for their own good, and see how fast they pass laws to "help us". When they start to see their hold on their elected office slip away, we will see all kind of crazy stuff come out of Washington, designed to "protect" us.
It will come, just watch for it. Also, when it comes to dissatisfaction with Congess, they haven;t seen anything yet. The "natives" are restless, and getting more unsettled by the minute.

I agree, it'll take more time to tick people off enough. The current and prior administration is well on track to building the biggest and most powerful government in history. Totalitarianism is coming, but not all the parts are in place just yet.

Every cabinet official chosen for the current administration has roots in the financial industry, and is dedicated to ripping up our constitution. Who better than someone who taught constitutional law to pick the team who can tears it apart.

My sincere hope is that this does not become corrupted into a left vs. right issue. That's a huge danger of swinging from one extremist form of government to the other. This is an issue of big government vs. individuals, totalitarianism vs. liberty.

[edit on 19-4-2009 by Dbriefed]

Originally posted by In nothing we trust
The one and only thing that has held a third party back in the past is that the people who do the work (The middle class) were too comfortable and complacent to get pissed off enough to rise up as one. Basically the banks subverted our country by suppressing opposition and purchasing peoples loyalty. We became fat, lazy and complacent.

Now that the economy is failing it is possible capitalize on peoples discontent with the present system and gain support for a third party.

I predict that the Republican and Democrat parties will merge into one party (Since they already are) and a new independant party will take form to oppose it. Since we know that the established authorities will not go quietly the people who support the tea parties can expect opposition from the establishment.

Since peaceful people will likely be oppressed by the establishment, the people will likely find support from domestic terrorists who will force change, until the establishment decides to let the voice of the people be heard.

I believe that you will find this story has played out before when the Irish formed the Irish Republican Army and Sinn Féin to oppose the rule of the english monarchy.

[edit on 18-4-2009 by In nothing we trust]

Can you do us all a god damn favor, and NOT refer to people who are sticking up for what the US was founded on TERRORISTS!

Originally posted by king9072
Can you do us all a god damn favor, and NOT refer to people who are sticking up for what the US was founded on TERRORISTS!

The American revolution from the english crown began in 1761 with the government (Supported by the established aristocracy who had inhierited thier money) passing law after law and tax after tax with the intent on obtaining total and complete control over the American people. People in power will never willingly give up thier power.

In 1770 the rising tensions between the government and the people resulted in the death of 11 American citizens at the hands a squad of government soldiers attempting to enforce the law of the government.

In 1775 all out warfare began when the government attempted to seize the weapons of a small group of pissed off American citizens.

THe revolutionaries were a small but very motivated group who capitalized off of the discontent of the people towards the ruling government. The government of that time did in fact classify these people as domestic terrorists, even though it was the government that was killing American citizens and not the revolutionaries.

The war was bloody, long and fought by a small group of dedicated people. Most of the population went about thier daily business while the war was waged.

[edit on 19-4-2009 by In nothing we trust]

What I think is going to happen is that every incumbant is going to be unemployed come 2010 and 2012. When the SHTF, the people gather in large numbers, stand in long lines, and cast out those responsible in sweeping defeat. It's not the need for a third party, it's the need for an informed and wise electorate to get up, go to the polls, and vote like their life, family, and prosperity, and freedom depended upon it. because it does. When it's over it will still be a two party system but it will be the kind that puts America first and gives the power back to the people from where it came...

Originally posted by Fromabove
What I think is going to happen is that every incumbant is going to be unemployed come 2010 and 2012. When the SHTF, the people gather in large numbers, stand in long lines, and cast out those responsible in sweeping defeat. It's not the need for a third party, it's the need for an informed and wise electorate to get up, go to the polls, and vote like their life, family, and prosperity, and freedom depended upon it. because it does. When it's over it will still be a two party system but it will be the kind that puts America first and gives the power back to the people from where it came...

It's gonna take more than just ousting those in power and putting new people in.

The way the system operates needs a complete reboot.

Originally posted by Etsivä Romppainen
And in the USA it is even worse! It seem like the (two!) parties have the same ideology to begin with - The ideology of corporate capitalism! Then how can you expect the parties to have any difference when they are in power?

Democracy is a big joke as long as corporate lobbyists rule.

Greed and insecurity are the root of the problem.

prediction tea party's will morph into nothing

should the same people start protesting outside "good morning america" or "the view" as well as "american idol" maybe enough people will think it's worth it to GIVE a DAMN

The gov't is constantly growing and or changing in some ways.......there are opposing forces which LOBBY for HOW The change will occur....

unfortunately these opposing forces aren't eVEN close to equal.....it is like a hurricane wind gust opposing a fart....

Corporate lawyers and lobbyists are constantly trying to INCREASE their company's profit.....that is capitalism....that is their job....they will TAKE what they are ABLE to.........The gov't has them in their faces all day .....when they see success getting rules and laws and tax codes adjusted to their favor .....do they rest? NO...They Double Down.....their job is to increase profits for their company! Some develop lasting relationships where Payoffs are given! the MSM with their corporate advertising dollars have chosen their side

Now who is in the gov't ear ....opposing these BIG INDUSTRY lobbyists groups........in effect debating/negotiating ..........laws...rules...for the people???? Do the good people of this country not care.......? not undertstand? do they just "hope" the gov't will "do the right thing"....do the people not realize this attitude = FAIL! (yet keep hoping?!)

The "hijacking" of the economy and gov't by Big industry/corporation will continue until a SIZEABLE (for the people) opposing force (to corporate lobbyists) LEARNs to find techniques that get the GOVt's attention and have leverage in fostering policy's........People are thinking like this....they are trying to organize protests......perhaps they could get america's attention by holding protests behind the set of "good morning america" lol

In freakin' france they protest 10x more than america........American media put the citizens/would be protestors to SLEEP

perhaps that's why past revolution's have been led by "terrorists".(i think in nothing we trust meant freedom fighters) not people who murder 1000's of innocent civilians......anyhow ..when the people seem helpless to effect change in a peaceful way (do to tyranical rule or clever propoganda) keeping the peaceful meetings Below the critical mass necessary to effect change........the "terrorists" / freedom fighters realize ....that when using violence the critical mass (% of people behind it ) to effect change is much lower...

[edit on 29-5-2009 by cpdaman]

Originally posted by cpdaman
The "hijacking" of the economy and gov't by Big industry/corporation will continue until a SIZEABLE (for the people) opposing force (to corporate lobbyists) LEARNs to find techniques that get the GOVt's attention and have leverage in fostering policy's........People are thinking like this....they are trying to organize protests......perhaps they could get america's attention by holding protests behind the set of "good morning america" lol

Maybe they could get the attention of the government by blowing some shi* up. Oh did I say that out loud. My bad.

... perhaps that's why past revolution's have been led by "terrorists".(i think in nothing we trust meant freedom fighters) not people who murder 1000's of innocent civilians....

No body is proposing the murder of thousands of mindless cattle. What would be the point?

NO I think what it will take is to drive some planes into some buildings, start an endless war on foriegn soil and then destroy the domestic economy.

Make it so bad that people will desire any change over what they have.

Apparently the amount of pain, to affect permanent and lasting change, needs to intensify.

Originally posted by 5thElement
I see you did not include religion into your equation ...

Republicans are staunch supporters of anti-abortion movement which is integral part of the very core of republican ideology, this issue alone will prevent Republican and Democratic parties to ever unite in the future.

Never underestimate power of religion

God good point

Had to break up with my gf cause of this lol

I called her a sheep over the phone then started to go bhaaaaaa bhaaaaa

hahah.. god what an ass I am, but at the same time, she didnt know **** about anything and just went along bc of religion and abortion.. what a waste too.. pre med and hot lol

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
My plan to save the world goes like this - Arrest every billionaire and redistribute their wealth until everyone is fed, clothed, and housed, there's no excuse for someone to be that rich while people are starving in the streets, dying of preventable/curable disease, etc...

All revolutions have focused on the needs of the people. Screw your brother? Screw you!

A rich man cannot get into heaven, it's true. Confess that Christ is king and you live, deny christ and you die.

Fight the power.


[edit on 30-5-2009 by In nothing we trust]

Even with how similar the politics are of many Republicans and Democrats, they will never merge. Too much money to be made by continuing to fight with each other. If there is a 3rd party, in my opinion it will be a party that is closer to the Republican Party under Reagan, giving the people a true different choice.