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President Obama/Lincoln and the next False Flag?

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posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 09:22 PM

Originally posted by MrVertigo
The people pushing for a civil war right now are not in the Obama administration.

They are on Fox News arranging "tea parties" and yapping about Obama being a fascist, communist, Muslim and god knows what else.

There definitely is a movement pushing for civil unrest and maybe even war in America, what everyone needs to ask themselves is who they are and why they are doing it.

And what's with the "paraphrasing"?? I mean seriously that has absolutely no base in reality whatsoever

Littlebunny is a BIG LOONEY!
I have an 85 year old mother in law who wants to oust our pres cause he's black and liberal, and Littlebunnyu can go join her in Nebraska.

Divided we fall, folks. I am an NRA member and YES, all the
talk from the admin about this and that 2nd amendment restricting
is scary but partly BS - there will not be an assault gun ban. PEriod.

Already stated by the WH, as they had the chance to float the bill over the juarez/ drug lord border killings as an excuse. the POTUS is not that stupid.

Please don't post incindieary material trying to stir up the hornet's nest of
stupidity and rage from the ultra-right. God fearing folks know we don't
need to start shooting each other, we need to start helping.

thankyou MRVERTIGO for some good ol' american common sense.
This thread should be closed.

[edit on 4/19/2009 by drphilxr]

[edit on 4/19/2009 by drphilxr]

posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 09:31 PM
reply to post by littlebunny

President Obama has made mention that we need a new Declaration of Independence, when we actually don't need that.

For a while now the candidates chosen for both parties have had the same goal. To supplant the principles in which this naion was founded and to implement a dictatorship in the name of the people.

They are going to try to destroy the Constitution of these United States, and void the rights, and principles by which this nation was founded. They will try to change it more, while still confusing Americans as to what is really best for us all, and the same will happen to the rest of the world.

They are instituting this new dictatorship like they have always done, with Socialism, and the claim that it will free people.

But as always true Socialist states become dictatorships, nomatter how many times the advocates of such a system claim it will free the people.

posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 09:35 PM
reply to post by drphilxr

Please don't post incindieary material trying to stir up the hornet's nest of
stupidity and rage from the ultra-right. God fearing folks know we don't
need to start shooting each other, we need to start helping.

There is still this funny thing called free speech in the United States of America.

It seems it is becoming increasingly inconvenient to some people?

Why is that exactly?

On ATS members don't attack other members they debate the subject matter. The OP has been very gracious to everyone posting on this thread, even those who disengenuously can't seem to click on hyper links or pull up a Google search box to discover news items widely circulated and known by most people.

I am not a right wing Republican and I posted several pertinent pieces of information to the thread.

That's what threads are for on ATS not insulting the poster and demanding it closed after you promote your off topic political message.

This thread is about Obama evoking the aura of Lincoln and false flags do you have anything credible to share in that regard?

Please post it if you do...thanks

posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 09:38 PM
reply to post by captiva

I like your spunk, feisty Scotsman!

You sure your momma's not Irish?

posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 06:11 AM

Originally posted by littlebunny
reply to post by jfj123

I really am not trying to be hardhead or purposely obtuse, I would hope the same holds true for you... Second, did you listen to President Obama's Inaugural Address?.

The answer you seek is right within that speech.

--Charles Marcello

(sadly I must call it a day... I will try to return tomorrow or the day after next. I enjoyed our conversation and all the posts I have read within this thread. Edit for this addendum

[edit on 19-4-2009 by littlebunny]

No I'm not trying to be hard headed in any way. Just want to make sure we get the facts out.

I didn't get to see all of his speech but what I did see, I did, surprisingly like.

I'll be interested to see what else comes to light.

posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 06:30 AM
By "Paraphrasing", did you mean at all "blatant lies based on nothing but obscene generalisations and lacking any factual basis and certainly not based in reality".....???

I've not seen a more pointless post this year. I can't believe I just added to this! Drat!

posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 09:36 AM
reply to post by MrVertigo

that response was pure class and couldnt have been been quoted better by myself so i will leave it at that.


another lowly janitor

posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 10:00 AM
reply to post by littlebunny

the way you were put to the pasture in the previous post, i hope i dont offend when i wont take any of your links seriously, all your links go against everything you have posted as fact on here, so to be honest the debate seemed interesting untill YOUR links exposed you, maybe you just misinterpreted what was being said but its an honest mistake i suppose

posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 10:06 AM
Eric Holder said 'Americans are cowards when it comes to race relations' which is absolutely true. Post not only the source of the quote but the ENTIRE quote. Not just a segment that proves your bias point.

posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 01:08 PM
reply to post by littlebunny

I know all about Lincoln and the war he fought to protect "his revenues" he was the first president to clearly be working for the interests of big business not the people. Look up the Morrill Tariff Act, or contact me if you want to know about it. Ignore simpletons like Mr Vertigo he and others like him are so full of dogma, they don't know truth from tyranny.

posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 06:16 PM

Originally posted by bubbabuddha
Maybe they are trying to force all states into total financial dependence on them, since then they can control the governments in each state like they are little federal agencies or programs dependent on them for survival. They want states that take their money, they need it for power, without it they can't persuade and can only try to coerce which becomes obvious.

These bailouts are attempts to prop up criminal enterprises on wall st, the only person that has so far folded in shame was Madoff, nobody wants to give up their crimes and Obama has to keep them in power or they will take him with them, since he and his memebrs of his adminstrations have deep ties to these crooked banks.

I didn't see any calls for taking back the government by force at any of the tea parties. What network did you see that on?

posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 08:52 PM
reply to post by MrVertigo

You REALLY NEED to watch "The Obama Deception". It's not really about this president per se, it's about who their/our masters REALLY are and just how such a mechanism to control a person like you through the media is not only absolutely possible, it's already happened.

The "Tea Parties" are not about THIS president only. It's about the Federal Reserve's (INC) coup d'tat of this country in 2008.

Ironically, the foreign banking cabal that caused the Revolutionary War by forcing their TAXED CURRENCY on us, also financed the Confederacy and with Queen Victoria, promulgated the Civil War.

The "subprime mortgage scam" started by the obviation of the Glass-Stiegall Act in 1999 on Clinton's watch by Rep Phil Gramm, was REALLY caused by the Derivative Speculation it's removal permitted the Banksters to play with our money, "ENRON style".

Every President that has opposed the Banksters of the Federal Reserve since Lincoln have either been assassinated or politically destroyed.

Look up JFK and Executive Order #11110, written on June 4, 1963.

Shut the TV off... The Banksters control it through the CFR. Since the 1980's, 300 Independent Communications Companies, previously NOT allowed to OWN EACH other, have become SIX! Get IT ?

posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 08:57 PM
reply to post by littlebunny

"Little Bunny"... Watch "the Obama Deception" it is Historically Factual.

"The Money Masters" would be a good idea, too.

posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 12:14 PM
reply to post by littlebunny

Looking at the controlling forces behind what set the civil war and other events in motion

Before 1860 the southern states were swarmed with British agents. These conspired with local politicians to work against the best interests of the United States. Their carefully sown and nurtured propaganda developed into open rebellion and resulted in the secession of South Carolina on December 29, 1860. Within weeks another six states joined the conspiracy against the Union, and broke away to form the Confederate States of America, with Jefferson Davis as President.
The plotters raided armies, seized forts, arsenals, mints and other Union property. Even members of President Buchanan's Cabinet conspired to destroy the Union by damaging the public credit and working to bankrupt the nation. Buchanan claimed to deplore secession but took no steps to check it, even when a U.S. ship was fired upon by South Carolina shore batteries.
Shortly thereafter Abraham Lincoln became President, being inaugurated on March 4, 1861. Lincoln immediately ordered a blockade on Southern ports, to cut off supplies that were pouring in from Europe. The 'official' date for the start of the Civil War is given as April 12, 1861, when Fort Sumter in South Carolina was bombarded by the Confederates, but it obviously began at a much earlier date.
In December, 1861, large numbers of European Troops (British, French and Spanish) poured into Mexico in defiance of the Monroe Doctrine. This, together with widespread European aid to the Confederacy strongly indicated that the Crown was preparing to enter the war. The outlook for the North, and the future of the Union, was bleak indeed.
In this hour of extreme crisis, Lincoln appealed to the Crown's perennial enemy, Russia, for assistance. When the envelope containing Lincoln's urgent appeal was given to Czar Alexander II, he weighed it unopened in his hand and stated: "Before we open this paper or know its contents, we grant any request it may contain."
Unannounced, a Russian fleet under Admiral Liviski, steamed into New York harbor on September 24, 1863, and anchored there, The Russian Pacific fleet, under Admiral Popov, arrived in San Francisco on October 12. Of this Russian act, Gideon Wells said: "They arrived at the high tide of the Confederacy and the low tide of the North, causing England and France to hesitate long enough to turn the tide for the North. The Czar also told France that Russia would declare war against France if Napoleon the 3rd help or aided the southern state in any way.

History reveals that the Rothschild’s were heavily involved in financing both sides in the Civil War. Lincoln put a damper on their activities when, in 1862 and 1863, he refused to pay the exorbitant rates of interest demanded by the Rothschild’s and issued constitutionally-authorized, interest free United States notes. For this and other acts of patriotism Lincoln was shot down in cold-blood by John Wilkes Booth on April 14, 1865, just five days after Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomattox Court House, Virginia
The Rothschild’s are the controlling factor behind things, Like through Warburg-Schiff connection, had provided the capital that enabled John D. Rockefeller to greatly expand his Standard Oil Empire. They also financed the activities of Edward Harriman (Railroads) and Andrew Carnegie (Steel).
Jacob Schiff was head of Kuhn, Loeb and C, which he marry the daughter of the company, and then bought out the others in Kuhn, Loeb. One of the things Paul Warburg did was to wright the Federal Reserve act so as to steal our money and control it. Why do we pay interest on what should be our own money. There was Colonel Edward Mandell House who changed his name from Rothschild.


posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 12:14 PM
reply to post by littlebunny

A civil war in our country would fit into Albert Pikes plans as part of the third world war that he created for the Rothschild’s that included the first two world wars
This plan was outlined in graphic detail by Albert Pike, the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry and the top Illuminist in America. In a letter to Guisseppe Mazzini dated August 15, 1871. Pike stated that the ;;

First World War was to be fomented in order to destroy Czarist Russia -- and to place that vast land under the direct control of Illuminati agents. Russia was then to be used as a 'bogey man' to further the aims of the Illuminati worldwide.

World War II was to be fomented through manipulation of the differences that existed between the German Nationalists and the Political Zionists. This was to result in an expansion of Russian influence and the establishment of a state of Israel in Palestine.

The Third World War was planned to result form the differences stirred up by Illuminati agents between the Zionists and the Arabs. The conflict was planned to spread worldwide. The llluminati, said the letter, planned to "unleash the Nihilists and Atheists" and "provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass [directional, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view, a manifestation which will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

At the time Pike wrote this remarkable leaflet there were five different ideologies extant on the world scene and involved in a "struggle for space and power." These were:
1. The secret ideology of the international bankers or the Illuminati as laid out in Fourth Reich Of The Rich. Their aim was the creation of a One World Government to be ruled over by the "Illuminated ones" at the top.
2. The Russian "Pan-Slavic" ideology which was originally conceived by William the Great and expounded in his will. According to A.H. Granger, the author of England World Empire, 1916, p. 173, this ideology called for the elimination of Austria and Germany, then the conquest of India and Persia and ends with the words: "...which will ensure the subjugation of Europe."
3. The ideology of "Asia for the Asiatics" as expounded by the Japanese. This called for a confederation of Asian nations dominated by Japan.
4. The ideology of Pan Germanism which called for German political control over the European continent, freedom from the Crown's restrictions on the high seas and the adoption of an "open door" policy in trade and commerce with the rest of the world.
5. Pan-American or the ideology of "America for the Americans." This called for "trade and friendship with all, alliances with none." Secretary of State Root stated in 1906 that, under this ideology which was given expression in the Monroe Doctrine of 1823, we are "debarred from sharing in the political aims, interests, or responsibilities of Europe, just as by the equally potential doctrine, now nearly a century old, the European powers are excluded from sharing or interfering in the political concerns of the sovereign states of the Western Hemisphere."


posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 12:14 PM
reply to post by littlebunny

If the plans of the international banker/llluminati cabal were to be brought to fruition, Russia, Germany, Japan and the United States would have to be brought to their knees in unconditional surrender, poverty and ignominy.
The llluminati plan for world conquest, referred to by Albert Pike, was a diabolical masterpiece of Luciferian ingenuity that would take the lives of hundreds of millions of human beings and cost hundred of billions of dollars in its accomplishment.
The plan that the Illuminati devised to accomplish their world conquering goal is as simple as it is effective. Along the way towards the accomplishment of their final objective this plan has been adapted by the international bankers and their comrades in arms around the globe to amass vast fortunes in real estate. As we shall see. The implementation of the plan has been so smoothly executed that it has frequently won applause from the ranks of those it is destroying. Their plan can be called Urban Renewal.
It has been said that there are three types of people:
1. Those who make things happen. 2. Those who watch things happen, and 3. Those who wonder what happened.
The vast majority of mankind find themselves in the last two categories. Most have "eyes to see" but don't "see" what is happening. Most have "ears that hear" but don't "understand" what IS happening -- LOCALLY, NATIONALLY OR INTERNATIONALLY. slavery.

posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 04:07 PM
reply to post by black.sunday2099

the way you were put to the pasture in the previous post, i hope i don't offend when i wont take any of your links seriously, all your links go against everything you have posted as fact on here, so to be honest the debate seemed interesting until YOUR links exposed you, maybe you just misinterpreted what was being said but its an honest mistake i suppose

I got put to pasture because some blowhard said my Paraphrasing was lies, are you a child? Second, I purposely chose those links so the LEFT would accept them, so as to try and help bring them into this discussion. I knew damn well what those links said before I posted them, I could have posted several others that absolutely proves what I paraphrased has in fact been stated by others. Let alone the fact Mrs. Obama Tells America President Obama will FORCE You To Work ...President Obama's Cheif of Staff says FORCED SERVICE... And Then Obama tells America we need a Civilian Force Just As Powerful as our Military

How About President Obama's DHS (Janet Napolitano says) Returning Vets are Terrorists/Timothy McVeigh's?... CNN shows Conservative Outrage, FoxNews shows Conservative Outrage, Micahel Savage Goes Nuts... As I stated, if you people would have done a simple Google Search you would already have all this information... But instead you lazy people want to blame me for not what... holding your hand? Once again, are you people children? BTW, does anyone else find it ironic because the Federal Government continues to abuse the Constitution and Create Laws and Powers that they have ZERO legal right to create, that perhaps, I mean I am going way out on a limb here, but perhaps they are the very reason these so called extremist exist in the first place? I wonder if that report was more of a truthful indictment of the Federal Government more so then Conservatives or our Military War Hero's...

Oh the links aren't done... How about written articles... DHS CALLS Military Vet potential Timothy McVeigh's Oh there are more...A VERY Angry Article over the DHS report And all these links I have presented here are still on the softer side of reaction from people all across the Internet. All you people on the left needed to do was get up off your collective asses and do a search, and then... wait for it... READ and/or WATCH what you found on your own. But instead of being in charge of your own education, you people show you are the very sheeple ATSers talk about daily. I guess everyone now knows who you sheeple are!

I could post several more links, and I could spend a lot of time using fighting words, and then go out of my way to put you people down... But I seriously was and am trying to allow for open and honest discussion. I was and am trying to allow those on the left to talk about this issue without them feeling they are being beaten over the head with right wing only posts, but rather, that someone, ME, was actually willing to TALK about these very serious issues. The Paraphrasing I posted are exactly the words that are being pushed all across the Internet. DO A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH using those paraphrased comments I posted and you will see exactly what I am talking about. And you people call me a liar... Well I call each of you lazy cowards!

The disrespect I have seen on the fifth page of this thread is sad as hell, especially when I actually was trying to have a grown up conversation with everyone. Yes I used catch phrases and heated words, but if you understand the written word I laid out exactly what my intentions were. Sadly, the responses I have seen from the left within this thread, reinforces my belief that a Civil War is coming because some people are to stupid to see past what they think they already know... Or in other words... People eyes are so WIDE SHUT!. I truly, truly do not want a Civil War to happen... But if it comes, and if Texas Secedes?, I will be moving to Texas. Because I believe in that cause so strongly I believe it is worth dieing over!

President Obama and his administration is adding more fuel to an already out of control Fire with their stupid comments. How dare anyone at that level of Government call Americans Cowards about anything... HOW FREAKEN DARE THEY! They serve us and they damn well better remember that... And this constant partisan bickering is just adding even more fuel. Seriously people, we really need to talk like adults so we can find grown up solutions to our nations problems, and not the childish nonsense that we have seen on this board by the left and all across the Internet by both sides. Sadly I am really starting to believe that perhaps those days are long gone.

In my opinion there is nothing, and I mean nothing more evil then socialism. Nothing! And if a state leaves the union to defend its citizens from that evil, then I will be there within 48hrs and from then on, the clock physically begins to tick towards war. I really hope you people truly understand that this is not just no nothing words from these people in State Governments, they truly are attempting to FORCE the federal government to openly dismiss the 10th Amendment to the Bill of Rights, to even suggest otherwise is just down right silly or proves just how ignorant/or how deep in denial people on the left truly are.

--Charles Marcello

posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 04:10 PM
reply to post by crfox


Thank you so much for your comments. They are well written and well thought out. I am not sure about some of what you have written, not saying I doubt it is correct, just I need to do some research on my own with regards to some of the content therein.

Thanks again... This post is exactly one of the types of posts this thread was started for.

--Charles Marcello

posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 04:13 PM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Hello P.T.

Thank you for trying to keep this board on topic and for trying to keep a level of civility during my absence. Your words were very kind and for that I thank you. Not to mention your words expressed exactly how I felt about that response in general. Thanks again for this post and all the other very wonderful information you posted within this thread.

--Charles Marcello

posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 04:54 PM
reply to post by crfox

Thank you for putting that so nicely.

First post here, and hope i find more info like this!

Any links to the reference material would be greatly apreciated, unless you cannot divulge em...

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