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Professor Graeme MacQueen WTC Tower Lecture at the University of Waterloo

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posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 12:15 AM
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Using simple common sense and logic to arrive at a conclusion.




Professor Graeme MacQueen presents the eyewitnesses as not only "hearing" explosions, but experiencing them with multiple senses, hearing, seeing, and feeling, is a potent way to counter the arguments made that the explosions were smoke bursts, electrical transformer explosions, cracking beams and columns, but cannot explain people being thrown around, burned, windows blown out in areas far away from the strike zone.

His treatment of the visual evidence of acceleration of the antenna and roof line fits perfectly with the same analysis others have shown with WTC7. The curves of distance dropped versus time very nearly match, and are damning for those who claim the lower, intact structures were destroyed by the falling mass from above, in the case of the north tower, and a random, falling down in the case of WTC7.






Graeme MacQueen, Founding Director of the Centre for Peace Studies (McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario) reads testimony from New York Fire Dept. firefighters:

Angel Rivera: "When we hit the 19th floor, something horrendous happened. It was like a bomb went off. We thought we were dead. The whole building shook."

NYFD Asst. Commissioner Stephen Gregory: I thought that I saw...low level flashes...I saw flash-flash-flash, and then it looked like the building came down. You know like when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw."

Firefighter Daniel Rivera: "At first I thought it was... Do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear, 'pop-pop-pop-pop-pop'? That's exactly what, because I thought it was that, when I heard that frigging noise, that's when I saw the building coming down."

NYFD Captain Karin Deshore: "Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash kept popping, all the way around the building, and that building had started to explode."

The New York City Fire Department, under the direction of Fire Commissioner Tom Von Essen, collected the testimony of 503 first-responder EMTs, Port Authority police, and firefighters. It came to 12,000 pages. The 9/11 Commission, run by White House appointee and insider, Philip Zelikow, rejected the testimony, just ignored it, not germane to the foregone conclusion. Also, somewhat explosive.




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posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 02:41 PM
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This is an unbelievably great lecture.

I'm now curious of the what the debunkers could possibly make up to explain away the points that Dr. MacQueen makes in his lecture.



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by _BoneZ_
This is an unbelievably great lecture.

I'm now curious of the what the debunkers could possibly make up to explain away the points that Dr. MacQueen makes in his lecture.


Umm, maybe the fact that he tends to cherry pick quotes from the firefighters and taking them out of context?



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 07:12 PM
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Are you kidding?
If that's all you can come up with, then the official story has just had the last nail hammered into it's coffin.

Cherry picking? Have you even read the entire list of firefighters' testimonies? What's being taken out of context when Dr. MacQueen reads MORE THAN ONE witness to the explosions going AROUND the building exactly like they do in controlled demolitions?

Add everything together, the video evidence, the physics, the forensics, the witness testimony, you get DEMOLITION BY EXPLOSIVES. There is no other conclusion that can be reached by the overwhelming evidence, period.

*edit to clarify*

[edit on 7-4-2009 by _BoneZ_]



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 08:16 PM
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Nope, thats not all that I can (and have many times on ATS) come up with. It was a five second answer to a 7 year old question.

To date, no one, has come up with ANY bona fide evidence that it was anything OTHER than the impact damage and fires that caused those three buildings to collapse that day.

No explosive residue, no detonators, no det cord, no witnesses to the massive numbers of workmen that would have been necessary to wire three buildings for demolition...nada, none, zilch. However, there are quite a few pissed off members of the FDNY that are tired of their words being misused to support conspiracy theories.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 02:28 PM
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Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
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However, there are quite a few pissed off members of the FDNY that are tired of their words being misused to support conspiracy theories.


Actually I think the FDNY firefighters and police officers were more 'pissed off' because they were gag-ordered for years and their livelihoods were threatened if they did not keep their mouths shut. They were more 'pissed off' because the 9-11 Whitewash Commission 'pissed on' their 503 first-responder official testimonies and blew them off as if they were of no value at all. They are not stupid; they too could see the level of lying from the Bush Regime and such scum as Cross-dresser Rudolph Giuliani and Anthraxman Jerome Hauer.

They are likely more 'pissed off' because the corrupt Bush Regime and that corrupt political hack Christine Todd Whitman deliberately lied about the toxic levels of WTC dust, endangering even more innocent lives; including surviving first responders and their families.



Maybe they are 'pissed off' at you Swampfox because you don't give a damn about their health nor the innocent victims of the 9-11 perps nor the level of corruption among OUR politicians.



[edit on 4/8/09 by SPreston]



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by SPreston


Actually I think the FDNY firefighters and police officers were more 'pissed off' because they were gag-ordered for years and their livelihoods were threatened if they did not keep their mouths shut.



Back it up Spreston. For once... try using evidence in a post.

You won't.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 03:45 PM
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Back it up Spreston. For once... try using evidence in a post.

You won't.




CF it is common knowledge that the FBI put all the firemen, police, and FAA under gag orders. Spreston always backs up his post with sources, CF the whole world know this were have you been eh!



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
To date, no one, has come up with ANY bona fide evidence that it was anything OTHER than the impact damage and fires that caused those three buildings to collapse that day.

Actually, there is overwheliming evidence. You just choose to remain in denial and not accept any of it. Let's take a look...



Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
No explosive residue

Yep, and plenty of it:

visibility911.com...

www.deseretnews.com...

The above story is circling the world. Here's a link from one of Denmark's largest newspapers (translated):

/cpoysn

There are dozens of places publishing this story all over the net. So, your first point is moot. Let's continue...



Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
no detonators

Well, since government agencies had control of the crime scene, and one or more government agencies were more than likely responsible for the attacks, what do you expect?



Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
no det cord

Again, government agencies controlling the crime scene, government agency operation. Further, why would you expect det cord to be left behind? I guess you would expect some devices that weren't detonated, but ever hear of radio control? It's much easier and quicker to plant radio-controlled devices than it is to run miles of det cord everywhere.



Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
no witnesses to the massive numbers of workmen

Again, untrue. Scott Forbes talks about the power-down on the Saturday and Sunday before 9/11 and talks about the workers:

www.youtube.com...

There are many other Youtube videos with intervies of Mr. Forbes. Check them out so you can hear more detailed accounts of his story.

Mr. Forbes also talks about massive work being done in the weeks leading up to 9/11:

"It must have been at least four to six weeks before 9/11. It was like rebuilding work going on upstairs. The tenants, the people from Aon who had been there, were moved somewhere else. The offices were just vacant, and there was a lot of heavy machinery building work going on. It was almost like pneumatic drills and lots of hammering. So much so that the floors were shaking, that’s how noticeable it was."

Then we have William Rodriguez who says:

"All the power was shut down. If there was a power down, that meant that everything was gone in terms of security -- in terms of access to the building -- so anybody could have come there and done any kind of set-up.''


You can do a simple Google search for all of the work done in the years prior to 9/11. Where at any time from the weekend before 9/11, through all the years prior, there were many projects going on in both towers that any of this work could have been completed in the guise of legitimate work.


Seems you're willing to deny all of the overwhelming evidence of the explosive residue, the numerous witness testimony to the explosives going off as the towers are collapsing, the video evidence of the explosives being detonated, and the physics, all because you can't come to terms with the facts. The evidence is so overwhelming that it seems that some people are payed to deny the facts....


[edit on 8-4-2009 by _BoneZ_]



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 09:50 PM
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I had a thought while reading this thread. It's always mentioned that there is no physical evidence of explosives (i.e. explosive residue, detonators, det cord, etc.), so it got my brain thinking in a beginner's state of mind. Is there any physical evidence that the plane impacts actually severed any core columns? I know they've done modeling of the impacts and came up with scenarios of different amounts of severed core columns, which I think is perfectly acceptable because one can reason this from other evidence. But did they actually find a core column which they definitely could prove was severed by the impact?

I did a cursory review of the recovered steel inventory and it looks like Core Column #801 (C-88a and C-88b) would be the most likely to have been determined if it had been severed. Does anyone know if NIST in fact determined this to have been severed at impact?

I will keep looking but any help to speed up the process would be greatly appreciated.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 10:01 PM
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Seems you're willing to deny all of the overwhelming evidence of the explosive residue, the numerous witness testimony to the explosives going off as the towers are collapsing, the video evidence of the explosives being detonated, and the physics, all because you can't come to terms with the facts. The evidence is so overwhelming that it seems that some people are payed to deny the facts....


LOL, do you even bother to read the stories you post? "A guy in Brooklyn swept up some dust..." Sorry, but there STILL is not any evidence. If you believe that Dr Dipstick formerly of BYU is telling you the straight scoop....I would like to sell you the bridge the dust was supposedly swept up on. (by the way, I am the individual that sent that dust to him)

As for Mr. Forbes, he was long ago shown to have lied in his power down stories....As for Mr. Rodriguez...which version of his story is he on now? Ten, Twelve?

And btw, with the thousands of people swarming over the debris field, there is NO way that any remains of detonators/det cord would NOT have been noticed.


THEN you bring up radio controlled detonators...

I am going to guess you do not realize just how jammed the EMR frequencies are...especially in New York. Too big a chance the charges would be set off by a stray signal. SO, THEN we go into having to have a scrambled signal to set off the detonators on the thousands of charges needed...which would involve each and every charge not only having a receiver, but also a descrambler.

If anyone is in denial, it would be the people that think there were controlled demolitions performed that day.




Okay, so I was lying about sending the dust to those idiots....but I figure if you are going to believe them.............



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 10:04 PM
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Is there any physical evidence that the plane impacts actually severed any core columns?


Not sure if they found any pieces where they could say beyond the shadow of a doubt that "This is where this column was severed".


However, from what we know about five of the six stairwells in the towers being impassible from debris, you can theorize that the core columns must have suffered serious damage.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 10:30 PM
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Ah heck since I know you are going to carp about it....

Scott Forbes...



On the weekend of 9/8,9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36hrs from floor 50 up. I am aware of this situation since I work in IT and had to work with many others that weekend to ensure that all systems were cleanly shutdown beforehand ... and then brought back up afterwards. The reason given by the WTC for the power down was that cabling in the tower was being upgraded ... Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower.


www.serendipity.li...

So he is claiming that there was no power from the 50th floor up for 36 hours. Of course, he is still the only one who claims this, but lets take a look at his claim....

From another interview...



GW: In 2001, you were working as an information technology specialist for Fiduciary Trust. Were you the main IT person for Fiduciary Trust, or were you an assistant IT person?




SF: I worked within an IT department of around 100 as a senior DBA [database administrator] and team leader.





GW: Fiduciary Trust had floors 90 and 94-97 of the South Tower at that time. Did you work on a specific floor, or did your duties normally keep you roaming on several floors?





SF: I and my technology colleagues worked on the 97th floor ... in the course of the day we would have meetings or give support on other floors but most our time would have been spent on the 97th floor.


On to the weekend....




GW: You've previously stated that on the weekend of September 8 and 9, 2001, there was a "power down" condition in world trade center Tower 2, the South Tower, and that this power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approximately 36 hours from floor 50 up. Do you know what time the power-down started?




SF: All systems were shutdown on Saturday morning and the power down condition was in effect from approximately 12 noon on Saturday September 8, 2001.





GW: When did it end?





SF: Approximately 2PM on Sunday 9/9.


Wait...thats only 26 hours...not 36........




GW: How do you know that there was no electricity from floor 50 up, if Fiduciary Trust was on much higher floors -- starting at the 90th floor?





SF: I can't absolutely verify that there was no power on lower floors ... all I can validate is that we were informed of the power down condition, that we had to take down all systems and then the following day had to bring back up all systems


Well heck, he can only verify the floors his company was on...all four of them......




GW: You've previously stated that you were aware of the power down since you worked in the IT department and had to work with many others that weekend to ensure that all systems were cleanly shutdown beforehand ... and then brought back up afterwards. How many other Fiduciary Trust folks were you working with? Can any of them verify your story?





SF: Many, many people worked on the power down, both from the IT department and from the business, revalidating systems when they were available again. Other people can validate my information. Some people do not remember the circumstances, some people will not revisit that time ... but others acknowledge the power down freely and can validate my information.


georgewashington.blogspot.com...

Yep, they are falling all over themselves to come out and "verify" Mr. Forbes story.

So first, its a power down for 36 hours from the 50th floor on up to a power down that lasted 26 hours (maybe) on his four floors....Then there is the little fact that tourists were being allowed to go to the Observation Deck on the Saturday afternoon of the "power down". NOW, if the top half of the building has no electrical power, who in the h*ll would allow TOURISTS access to that part of the building?

Now, we have a 26 hour period that supposedly the building was being wired for demolition. Since he can only vouch for his company's spaces, we will stick with four floors. He is suggesting that four floors were wired for demolition in 26 hours.

Lets take a look at just how long it takes to wire a building shall we?



In 24 days, CDI's 12 person loading crew placed 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on 9 levels of the structure. Over 36,000 ft. of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay devices were installed in CDI's implosion initiation system. As the implosion required the detonation of a total of 2,728 lb. of explosives, CDI implemented 36 "primary delays" and an additional 216 “micro-delays" in the implosion initiation sequence in an attempt to keep detonation overpressure to a minimum.

www.controlled-demolition.com...

24 days to wire nine stories for demolition....and Mr Forbes thinks his four floors were wired in less than two days???? Without anyone noticing explosive charges being placed??? Just who were these supermen? I am sure that there are quite a few demolition companies that would love to hire them. Face it, Mr Forbes story, is just that, a story. And for you (or anyone else) to continue believing it, shows a complete lack of common sense.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 10:30 PM
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Thanks, Swampfox, but I think I found what I was looking for. It looks like it's a maybe or maybe not result as to if it was damaged by impact. The information is in NCSTAR 1-3, starting at page 88 (136/184) if you're interested.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 10:38 PM
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Forgot this on my last post....


So, Mr Forbes talks about his building....where are the "power down" stories for the other Tower and WTC 7? Oh, wait, there arent any.....



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 01:13 AM
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Actually, there is overwheliming evidence. You just choose to remain in denial and not accept any of it. Just take a look...



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 08:27 AM
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posted by Swampfox46_1999

(by the way, I am the individual that sent that dust to him)

If anyone is in denial, it would be the people that think there were controlled demolitions performed that day.


Okay, so I was lying about sending the dust to those idiots....but I figure if you are going to believe them.............


We are well used to your lying Swampfox; this one came as no surprise.

The surprise is your admission.


The denials of you government loyalists in protecting your precious 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY are becoming more and more desperate each growing day; as it steadily self-destructs. Nevertheless the duped American public is waking up to the truth and the numbers are growing by the millions.

The evidence of an INSIDE JOB is overwhelming.



Why else would thousands of professionals risk their reputations and livelihoods by publicly and vocally joining the Truth Movement over seven years after 9-11? In this case it is a professor and Graeme MacQueen is not the only professor speaking out. Hundreds of professors are risking their tenure and reputations and endowments to speak out against the treasonous perps of 9-11. Why else join in seven years after the fact, except these professors have been learning from the early efforts of other 9-11 Truthers?

Why have you learned nothing Swampfox?


Can you explain why the 9-11 Whitewash Commission blew off the testimonies of 503 NYFD first responder EMTs, Port Authority police, and firefighters (12000 pages) and ignored them? No? Could it be for the same reason that you ignore them? Yes? Would it destroy your weak faith in your government god and master?





[edit on 4/9/09 by SPreston]



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 09:20 AM
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posted by Swampfox46_1999

who in the h*ll would allow TOURISTS access to that part of the building?



Perhaps it was the same 'WTC tenants' who gave this guy a security pass Swampfox. Perhaps there were 'tenants' in both towers who gave out hundreds of these security passes? What kind of 'tenant' can give security passes to the basement levels Swampfox? There are no 'tenants' in the 7 tier basement levels are there? So how many security passes did these unknown 'WTC tenants' give out?

The records were destroyed weren't they? Aren't you interested in finding out who gave Sakher Hammad a security pass, by insisting on an official no-holds-barred unobstructed by political hacks and corrupt politicians complete investigation into 9-11? What are you afraid of Mr Swampfox46_1999?

If a bunch of untrained un-coordinated unfinanced, hampered by gag-ordered eyewitnesses and censorship, patriotic ordinary citizens can get us this far; then just think what a bunch of highly trained coordinated well-financed patriotic professional investigators with absolute witness protection and subpoena power could accomplish.



Who Signed Sakher Hammad's WTC Basement Level Pass?
Who Murdered Katherine Smith?
License Suspect Had WTC Repair Pass, But Port Authority Did its Own Work

by Bartholomew Sullivan
GoMemphis
February 16, 2002

A photo ID pass for Sept. 5 found on one of the men charged with fraudulently obtaining a Tennessee driver's license from a Memphis woman gave him access to the six underground levels of the One World Center building.

But which tenant hired Sakher 'Rocky' Hammad, 24, to work on its sprinklers is lost, said Port Authority of New York and New Jersey spokesman Alan Hicks on Friday.

Hammad told federal authorities that he was working on the sprinklers six days before the twin towers were brought down by terrorists, court testimony revealed this week.

But Hicks said the Port Authority, which owned the building, did its own sprinkler work, and that any other work involving sprinklers would have been arranged by an individual tenant.

"We don't know (which one) because all our records were destroyed in the World Trade Center, as were some of the people who know that," Hicks said.

Small details about the five Middle Eastern men arrested Feb. 5 with Tennessee driver's license examiner Katherine Smith are slowly surfacing. Smith died Sunday in a fiery car crash, a day before she was to appear in court. It appears that Khaled Odtllah of Cordova shared the same 2840 Morning Lake Drive address at different times over the past year with Rocky Hammad, according to an online people finder database.

All five men are being held without bail at the pretrial facility of the Federal Correctional Institution in Memphis.

whatreallyhappened.com...



Was Mysterious Death in Tennessee Linked to Terrorism?
AP
24 February 2002

MEMPHIS, Tenn. — Shortly before 1 a.m. Feb. 10, witnesses saw flames erupt from the back seat of a 1992 Acura Legend as it crawled along a two-lane road skirting farm fields in the little Tennessee town of Piperton.

The driver breathed in the flames, her lungs searing, as the car veered off the road and came to rest against a utility pole near the Mississippi state line. There were no skid marks or furrows in the grass to indicate the driver had hit the brakes.

A witness rushed up and pulled open the car door, but the driver was not moving. She appeared to be already dead. When the first volunteer firefighters arrived, the car was engulfed in flames.

From the very beginning, it didn't look right, said Steve Kellett, chief of the Piperton Volunteer Fire Department.

The car had been moving too slowly for the accident to cause much damage. The wooden pole was barely dented. The radiator was pushed in a few inches, but the engine block was undamaged. Most important, the gas tank had not ruptured. The cardboard packaging for a replacement headlamp in the trunk was barely scorched.

What could have caused a fire so severe that it cooked the passenger compartment of the sedan down to the frame, burned the driver's arms and legs off, and left her charred beyond recognition? If someone had been trying to make this death look like an accident, they had done a lousy job.

Police began investigating the death as a homicide, though they have not ruled out suicide. The mystery deepened the next day when dental records identified the victim as Katherine Smith, 49, a state driver's license examiner.

Smith had been scheduled to be arraigned Feb. 11 on federal charges of helping five Middle Eastern men from New York obtain fraudulent Tennessee driver's licenses.

One of the men, authorities say, drove from New York to Memphis on Sept. 11 — the day of the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center. And one of them, at the time of his arrest, was carrying in his wallet a pass to the trade center dated Sept. 5.

Was this a series of bizarre coincidences?

www.911readingroom.org...


So who murdered Katherine Smith? Did the FBI remove another potentially dangerous witness? Was Sergei Davidenko another MOSSAD agent working on the 9-11 INSIDE JOB Attack on America? Did the MOSSAD 'arrange' the death of Katherine Smith to keep their role in 9-11 under wraps?



Copyright 2002

From 911Encyclopedia:

The original story on Denko Mechanical began with the arrestment of Sakher "Rocky" Hammad in 2001, who was carrying a WTC pass for Sept 5th 2001. He told police that he had been working on the sprinkler system. He showed them his business card: Magic Plumbing and Heating. Hammad was later involved in a trial on drivers license fraud, which was interrupted with the bizarre death of witness Katherine Smith (->). The following results are based on an independent investigation by Du member Rebecky: "Rocky was released on $250,000 bail. The nature of the work was not specified. The Port Authority of New York claimed no knowledge of hiring a Denko Mechanical and said Denko must have been hired by a tenant.

Denko Mechanical Ltd's address and phone is the residential Manhattan apartment and phone of Mr. Sergei Davidenko. Mr. Davidenko obtained a business license in Feb, 2000. Denko is not listed in any yellow pages or in any type of NY contractor list. Denko simply could not be the sprinkler system contractor for the WTC. Not only would the Port Authority have had records, but companies that install and maintain sprinkler systems for large buildings are heavily regulated major operations with civil engineers, inspectors, warehouses full of delicate equipment and highly trained specialty crews. A Feb 8, 2000, business entity license issued for a Denko Mechanical Ltd, 232 E 26th St. in Manhattan (ph 212-481-8226) which, on reverse trace, is the Manhattan residence and phone of Mr. Sergei Davidenko; it's an apartment building.

As noted above, the letter verifying Hammad's WTC employment was signed by a Sergei Denko. In addition to the WTC 9/5 pass, found in Mr. Hammad's wallet at the time of arrest: two video rental cards, a credit card, a membership card for the New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, a card for Detectives Endowment Association of New York with a commemoration for 9/11 victims on it, and a charter membership card to Team Ford Racing. In a February 2002 interview, a rep of the Port Authority, Alan Hicks stated that the PA took care of its own sprinkler system and had no records of Mr. Hammad hired to work on it. The letter exonerating Mr. Hammad's employment was from a company Denko Mechanical signed by its owner Sergei Denko -- does not exist in NY except as a 2 y.o. business license registered to a Mr. Sergei Davidenko of 232 E 26th St., Manhattan.

Another residential apartment (again using Skipease reverse trace). A co-defendant in the Memphis trial was Hammad's cousin, also in the WTC on 9/5, Mr. Abdelmuhsen Mahmid Hammad. Other defendants were the Memphis ringleader Khaled Odtllah of Jerusalem, immigrated to the US in 1989, and Mr. Mostafa Said Abou-Shahi and Mr. Mohammed Fares, and a juvenile obtaining a 20 y.o. false ID, Mr. Omar Khayata.

NOTE: Denko Mechanical was one of a few sponsors for a trade show at "opportunity knocks"

911review.org...





[edit on 4/9/09 by SPreston]



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
with the thousands of people swarming over the debris field, there is NO way that any remains of detonators/det cord would NOT have been noticed.

You mean the thousands of government agents swarming over the government-produced debris pile. You act like CD companies leave tons of extra det cord lying around in a building just for people like you to look at.



Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
If anyone is in denial, it would be the people that think there were controlled demolitions performed that day.

Yes, because you would rather believe the steel-structured high-rise twin towers and building 7 all fell due to fire, which has never happened in history (and goes against all available evidence), and ignore all of the real evidence from all of the witnesses to the detonations of explosives, the video evidence of the detonations, the physics, the forensics. Sorry, but every single piece of evidence goes AGAINST your denial beliefs.

It really comes down to whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.



Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
So he is claiming that there was no power from the 50th floor up for 36 hours. Of course, he is still the only one who claims this

Oh really? You must've "overlooked" the quote that I posted from William Rodriguez talking about the power-down also.




Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
So first, its a power down for 36 hours from the 50th floor on up to a power down that lasted 26 hours (maybe) on his four floors

26, 36. Could've mispoke or calculated the time incorrectly.




Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Then there is the little fact that tourists were being allowed to go to the Observation Deck on the Saturday afternoon of the "power down".

So you claim without a single source.



Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
we have a 26 hour period that supposedly the building was being wired for demolition

Nobody said the building was wired in the weekend prior to 9/11. You're assuming that we think that. It could've been the final touches, or it could've been nothing related to 9/11 at all. Did you see the part from Mr. Forbes about all the heavy work going on in his tower in the weeks before 9/11? Did you see the part about the thick concrete dust around the registers every morning in the weeks prior to 9/11? Did you Google any of the other projects that were ongoing in the towers in the years prior to 9/11 that the work could've been guised under?



Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Face it, Mr Forbes story, is just that, a story.

It's only a story to you that continues to discount every piece of evidence from that day to believe your fairy tale that 3 steel-structured buildings magically fell because of fires when it's never happened in history.



Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
And for you (or anyone else) to continue believing it, shows a complete lack of common sense.

And see, there's your problem. You'd rather sit at home in your little chair and call people liars instead of getting your butt out of that chair and contacting the Port Authority to ask them to see the memo on the power-down. Mr. Forbes said that approx. 3 weeks before the power-down, they were notified by the Port Authority.

Call them, go down there. DO SOMETHING instead of being an armchair debunker and calling people liars when you have no proof that anyone is lying other than your own denial.



Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
where are the "power down" stories for the other Tower and WTC 7? Oh, wait, there arent any.....

Once again, you can set an example like CIT and get out of your chair and try contacting witnesses and verifying the facts. Until then, anything you claim without proof looks like "blah blah blah".


On a final note:


Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Dr Dipstick


Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
those idiots

More name calling. That's all you armchair debunkers know how to do is attack and call others names. You have no respect. It shows you're not serious about getting to the truth of 9/11. All this is to you is entertainment. A good laugh before dinner or bedtime. People like you are truly pathetic.


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posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 07:12 PM
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The denials of you government loyalists in protecting your precious 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY are becoming more and more desperate each growing day; as it steadily self-destructs. Nevertheless the duped American public is waking up to the truth and the numbers are growing by the millions


Keep dreaming. There is nothing desperate going on here. Its actually more amusing to see what incredible lengths that toofers go in creating stories to fit their theories.



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