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posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 09:27 PM
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have any of u seen that discovery channel show about feral children(childrn who grew up in the wild or were totally neglected by parents)some were raised by dogs and they were tryin to teach the kids to talk have u heard of this




posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 09:51 PM
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i''ve read a story about this once but that's about it.
now this should be interesting



posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 09:53 PM
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I read some stories a few years back, and covered some case studies in a few university classes that dealt with linguistic theories and limits to human knowledge.



posted on Apr, 22 2004 @ 05:47 AM
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Many children who've lived with animals tend to behave like their foster parents: they walk on all fours, make the same noises as the dogs, wolves or other hosts, and can bite and be aggressive. This provides confirmation that they certainly did spend their formative years in the company of animals. Oxana Malaya can be seen in the Optomen TV production, running around on all fours and barking like a dog.


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An article in Scientific American suggested that humans have been around in their present form for 120,000 years. However, we only discovered language and became technologically creative as late as 40,000 years ago. So what were humans like before that? And what would we be like if the influence of our current society was not present?

Feral children are children who have spent much of their formative years in the wild, without any contact with other humans for a significant period of their lives. Cases of feral children are thankfully rare, but are of immense interest from a scientific and educational point of view. Feral children provide data which help to answer a number of questions:

How close is human nature to the nature of an animal?

What aspects of human nature are genetic, and what aspects are learned?

What does consciousness mean?

Could we learn how to speak to animals, or could we teach animals to speak to humans?

Studies of feral children in the past have lead to breakthroughs in the education of people with learning disabilities, and indirectly has lead to the development of sign-language and Braille.


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There have been over 40 well documented cases of feral children in the last few hundred years. The first really famous example, was 'Wild Peter', who was only 12 years old when he was captured in Hanover in 1724. He was described as being a 'naked, brownish, black-haired creature', and would climb trees and live off plants. He never mastered speech, and it took a long time for him to even attempt to eat anything other than plant material. He spent 68 years in society, but never managed to learn to say anything other than 'Peter' and 'King George.'


There are some who are very sceptical about Feral children, while others, such as Carl Linnaeous who classed them as a new species of human - 'Homo Ferens' , regarded them as very real indeed. As cases diminish though, the chance of ever truly understanding the mystery of the Feral children, diminishes with them.


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A legend is a story, with important ontological consequences, passed by person to person.

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Some legends we know today have their basis in historical fact. Before the invention of the printing press storytellers abounded, and typically would learn their stock in trade, their stories, from an older story teller, who might (or might not) have actually been there when the "story" was "history" bardic schools, oral history.
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Making a principled distinction between one human language and another is often not possible. One major issue is the dialect continuum phenomena, where the boundaries between named language groups are necessarily arbitrary. For instance, there are dialects of German very similar to Dutch which are not mutually intelligible with other dialects of (what we call) German.
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A legend is a concept, an ideal or semi-true story with mythic qualities usually involving an heroic character or fantastic place and rooted in a kernel of truth; it is a meme that propagates through a culture.

Some legends we know today have their basis in historical fact. Before the invention of the printing press storytellers abounded, and typically would learn their stock in trade, their stories, from an older story teller, who might (or might not) have actually been there when the "story" was "history" bardic schools, oral history.
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Kingdom: Animalia
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Class: Mammalia
Order: Carnivora
Family: Canidae
Genus: Canis
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Binomial name
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Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Carnivora
Family
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I hope this all helps to explain it all in a bit more detail, plus the case studies are very interesting



posted on Apr, 22 2004 @ 08:59 AM
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I saw the show yesterday night. I felt really sad about that one girl who her whole life was kept in a room with no one to talk to.



posted on Apr, 22 2004 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by machinegunjordan
have any of u seen that discovery channel show about feral children(childrn who grew up in the wild or were totally neglected by parents)some were raised by dogs and they were tryin to teach the kids to talk have u heard of this


Wasn't the movie Nell with Liam Neeson and Jodie Foster based on a true story along these lines?



posted on Apr, 22 2004 @ 09:17 AM
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Ya, I caught part of the program last night. It is usually taught in Psych 101 in most colleges. Funny thing is the first thought that I had was werewolf myths.



posted on Apr, 22 2004 @ 10:19 AM
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I think Nell was based on that her Grandmother had a stroke and couldn't talk right, and that's how Nell learned to talk was by her grandmother. It was soomething like that, titian.



posted on Apr, 22 2004 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by RabidGoose
I think Nell was based on that her Grandmother had a stroke and couldn't talk right, and that's how Nell learned to talk was by her grandmother. It was soomething like that, titian.


Oh, well I was only slightly off on this one. Ironically, a grandmother on my wife's side just got released after having a mini-stroke the other day. Maybe subconciously I was thinking of that...



posted on Apr, 22 2004 @ 05:38 PM
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one thing on the show that really caught my attention was a boy 4 years old living with a pack ofstray dogs in the ghetto in i think it was ukraine cause his mother was a drunk and didnt take care of him so he started to make noises like growls howls and barks and started biting the other kids and these psycologists were trying to teach him to talk and act like other people 2 years later when he was 6





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