reply to post by Open_Minded Skeptic
Either side of this argument, is based on human understanding and belief, regarding the purpose, for the experience or universe they live in.
Putting religion aside, and out of the argument....
It really comes down to whether "Intelligence", can be found or is even present or not.
If humankind is found to be Intelligent, then Intelligence, is part of the equation
, but if Intelligence can Not be found, then all is Random
and Humanity is Unintelligent I guess.
I suspect that Humanity can't face or accept the possibility, that there are underlying Intelligent rules, that govern what is accepted as evolution
and random selection.
It is because humankind does Not know the reason behind their existence, that they are unable understand, why we find the opposites of all in this
experience, including Success and Failure.
But all our reasoning is subjective and is all based on acceptability depending on our belief systems.
You will always have Two in everything as all comes in pairs!
Left & Right, up & Down, Yes and Know, Black and White, Inner and Outer, and opposing Groups, which is all Normal in this Experience.
There is in fact reason for everything in this Universe, which is Not based on the rules of humankind, but on other rules involving a completely
This universe is Not really about what you see i.e. the development of any species. including humankind. as all is taken away on Death.
All is in Vein!
The great becomes Naught, The Wealthy becomes naught, The knowledgeable becomes naught, and all passes away.
Yet something remains and the Universe continues in its Story!
So what is it really all about
Human Success, the proving of an argument, a better system, Monetary gain, Moral development, Spiritual development, or for no reason at all ???
It is Not for any of these reasons obviously!
Just because we can Not have our way, or anything else in the Universe, can Not have its way, does Not mean ID is Not present.
It just means we are against ID, or at war with ID.
We can only judge ID, by our Ignorance either way, unless we are able to know that Intelligence underlying the Laws of Physics etc.
If we Exclude ID and Deny Intelligence, then we can only accept, that Intelligence is "Non existent" and thus Humankind is Unintelligent... LOL.
But as you know, you yourself may be Intelligent, well we hope so anyway...
Do we really want to lack Intelligence ???
I don't think so....
So why is Humankind, so terrified of Intelligence, and the probability of ID ???
Perhaps then, humankind is really a slave, to some Intelligence in some form, Not understood or Not even accepted by Humankind ???
But at the End of the day, there still exists some form of order, found in Physics and other associated Sciences.
So what produced these rules and how ???
No... I do Not believe in a being up there, of human thought or understanding, that has made everything and controls or plays with what it has
I can easily accept though, that there are rules or laws, that govern our experience and the behaviour of the Universe.
But I can Not condemn the Idea of ID, just because of our Ignorance...
Can You ???
I guess we need to keep looking for the Answers rather than leap of the bus and try and get everyone to believe in an illusion of human reason.
Humankind will find the Answers, in their so called Science, sooner or latter it is Not a matter of IF but When!
But this process is very, very, slow and really we are the Dawn
of knowledge Not the Completion....
Humankind has to get over itself,and start to wake up and ask some very very Serious and Intelligent Questions rather than just believe anything just
because it makes us feel secure and happy!