Windows and Mac OS X are CIA tools

Both Windows and Mac OS X have built in back doors for the CIA. Everything you do in the internet and on your computer, they know. So is Linux more secure? Perhaps, but how can you be sure that the door isn't provided in hardware level by Intel/AMD/VIA/nVidia/Ati/etc?

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i would think any company would be obligated to have such a backdoor to be able to sell their product in amerika. not only that, but no matter how secure your o.s. im syre they will find a way to "see" what youre doing.

What? So that's how they found out about my online porn empire and gun smuggling network...of course Windows and Mac OS have backdoors. With time and patience anything can be broken. But I don't see how much they could accomplish by doing surveillance on like one billion computers. It hasn't been helping us so far...

If you connect to the internet; your MAC Address and IP address are stored..

It's just obvious they'd utilize something that such a large population is using..

ps.. It isn't that they monitor everyone all at once .. ( at least with man power) they have very sophisticated software and hardware that filters the information and will alert an analyst to further investigate, I'm sure there is more to it, but basically that's how it'll work.

but regardless it all gets stored in a database and if the information is needed they can go back and locate what they need.

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I would think with all the network tools available to see what is going in and out of a connection it wouldn't be hard to see if your OS is sending secret data to some government site or whatever.
Even with a simple packet sniffer you could see what's going on, so don't tell me my Winblows OS is sending private information or whatever. Hackers would have known about this ages ago if that were true!

Originally posted by darklife
I would think with all the network tools available to see what is going in and out of a connection it wouldn't be hard to see if your OS is sending secret data to some government site or whatever.
Even with a simple packet sniffer you could see what's going on, so don't tell me my Winblows OS is sending private information or whatever. Hackers would have known about this ages ago if that were true!

Well obviously the information is not sent out as packets but patterns (made out of packets).

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Instead of blabbering all this BS why don't you prove it and get run netstat or some third party tool on a base machine with all the outgoing options such as autoupdate and such switched off.

You speculation blow chunks and until you try to prove it yourself I'm going to tell you to go away, if.. and it's a big if this was true it would be a platform killer if it was discovered. Having being discussed on other threads if it was to be achieved it would be done so as a "vulnerability" in the software not as a simple back door.

The biggest threat to your systems is not the US, UK or European governments it's the Chinese who build all your modems, routers and switches. That gives them network level access and has already been documented by the federal government.

Even though I hate Apple I'll stand up for them at this point and state they are not stupid and they wouldn't build in a backdoor, same with Microsoft. Show me your evidence then come back.

Originally posted by darklife
I would think with all the network tools available to see what is going in and out of a connection it wouldn't be hard to see if your OS is sending secret data to some government site or whatever.
Even with a simple packet sniffer you could see what's going on, so don't tell me my Winblows OS is sending private information or whatever. Hackers would have known about this ages ago if that were true!

...umm that was kind of my point.. it doesn't get sent from your computer.. all they need on your computer is a "license plate".. a unique set of numbers.. being a MAC ID and an IP Address.. with that, they can find the information your ISP is sending to these organizations.. at&t totally got busted doing this.

www.consumeraffairs.com...

www.wired.com...



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Yes, but this is at a network level and not at OS level as the OP is stating.

Originally posted by spitefulgod
Instead of blabbering all this BS why don't you prove it and get run netstat or some third party tool on a base machine with all the outgoing options such as autoupdate and such switched off.

You speculation blow chunks and until you try to prove it yourself I'm going to tell you to go away, if.. and it's a big if this was true it would be a platform killer if it was discovered. Having being discussed on other threads if it was to be achieved it would be done so as a "vulnerability" in the software not as a simple back door.

The biggest threat to your systems is not the US, UK or European governments it's the Chinese who build all your modems, routers and switches. That gives them network level access and has already been documented by the federal government.

Even though I hate Apple I'll stand up for them at this point and state they are not stupid and they wouldn't build in a backdoor, same with Microsoft. Show me your evidence then come back.

AFAIK some source code of Windows 2000 was leaked out some years ago. Can you find it anywhere in the net today? No you can not. A little strange, no? Nothing escapes the internet. And anyways the leak might have been intentional and those lines of code leaked carefully selected.

What goes for monitoring net traffic. Not going to work. The patterns they're using appear completely random. Would take some very sophisticated piece of software and a dozen supercomputers to "crack the code".

I can't prove it. Nobody can. That's enough proof in itself for me.

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I guess some people remembered the nsa.key file in windows NT4.0 that was removed with later updates.

that amateurish time is past now and any backdoor would be very well hidden now.

Open source will win in the end.

Originally posted by iWork4NWO
I can't prove it. Nobody can. That's enough proof in itself for me.
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Well I believe at the end of our solar systems heliosphere there is a massive projector and simulated electromagnetic devices. There is nothing more to the universe than that...

I can't prove it. Nobody can. That's enough proof in itself for me.

I know what you're trying to say and it's correct that the governments do have the power to monitor Internet, phone and cellular traffic but this is not done at the OS level and if they did want to monitor you they would use a third party "set up" software company to guise it from.. e.g. winrar, firefox, winamp, etc.

They wouldn't go through the OS it's too heavily scrutinized by the security sector.

If you are stupid enough to believe they will give you "privacy" you should get caught, if you are up to no good. May I suggest carrier pigeons.

Originally posted by spitefulgod

I know what you're trying to say and it's correct that the governments do have the power to monitor Internet, phone and cellular traffic but this is not done at the OS level and if they did want to monitor you they would use a third party "set up" software company to guise it from.. e.g. winrar, firefox, winamp, etc.

They wouldn't go through the OS it's too heavily scrutinized by the security sector.

The thing is. They can do it and it's quite naïve (just because we can't prove it) to think that they aren't.

Originally posted by Grey Magic
I guess some people remembered the nsa.key file in windows NT4.0 that was removed with later updates.

that amateurish time is past now and any backdoor would be very well hidden now.

Open source will win in the end.

There we go. Evidence.

en.wikipedia.org...
www.heise.de...

They've been up to no good in the past. Why would it be any different now? Both Microsoft and Apple bow to record industry demands. It's no secret that both Windows and Mac OS X come with built in DRM. Why would their answer be any different concerning NSA/CIA demands.

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Originally posted by timewalker
If you are stupid enough to believe they will give you "privacy" you should get caught, if you are up to no good. May I suggest carrier pigeons.

You have no idea how difficult it's to run an international pedophile ring / terror network / arms & drugs export import company these days.

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Anything and everything we do has the ability to come back and bite us. I dont see how they wouldn't be all over every piece of technology we use daily.

Also seeing as how many software companies such as IBM are buddy buddy with the country...I don't doubt your theory.

Hi, aware ATSers !

Originally posted by Grey Magic
Open source will win in the end.

Yes SiR ! That's what I understood a few years back !

Viva Linus and his Linux !

Blue skies.

I wonder if the possible hardware built in back door could be fooled by running Debian on VMware on Gentoo on Parallels on Mac OS X on VMware on Windows XP

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Thanks for backing my statement.