Originally posted by oconnection
So ML is it fair t say in a way the Illuminati as it once was has morphed into different organizations over time? Much like the Templar did the same
I would say no. The original Illuminati was not able to evolve, it having been crushed by the Bavarian government. But even though the Illuminati did
not survive, many of their ideas certainly did, and influenced other organizations and individuals.
ML have you read through The Temple & the Lodge? It is not an anti Mason book by any degree but instead does a non biased look into the
history of Freemasonry.
Yes, I've read it, my Lodge has a copy of it in our library. Personally, I see it as being similar to books by Knight & Lomas, like "The Hiram
Key". These books are interesting and entertaining, but are lacking credibility from the perspective of historical scholarship. Freemasonry,
Templarism, etc., has been the subject of thousands of books; the majority of these, even when written by Masons or friends of Masonry, almost
inevitably make wild and exaggerated claims, detailing legends and myths as if they were historical facts.
Scholarly Masonic research concedes that it is possible that some fugitive Templars may have joined the Scottish and English Masonic guilds, but
historians must remain conservative in their conclusions to be credible. In reality, there is no evidence that historical Templarism was connected in
any way with Masonry.
For example, the earliest record we have a Brother being made a Knight Templar in a Masonic Lodge is from the minutes of a French Lodge in 1724. Most
“serious” Masonic researchers believe that this was, more or less, the birth of Masonic Templarism.
In England and Scotland at the time, Masonry was probably correctly viewed as the successor to the stonemason guilds. It is likely that when Masonry
entered France and began attracting aristocrats, they enjoyed Masonry, but thought it was ignoble to sponsor a Society founded by regular “working
Joes”. So to make themselves feel more aristocratic, they invented a romantic legend of being descended from the Knights Templar.
The elitist behavior of the aristocratic French Masons was also the cause of the schism in the Fraternity there: they refused to admit “commoners”
into their Lodges. The Grand Lodges of England and Scotland called such elitism unmasonic, and transferred fraternal recognition to non-aristocratic
In any case, the Templar legend was soon adopted by both the York and Scottish Rites. In the York, the degree of Knight Templar is the highest, and is
a very beautiful and impressive ceremony. In the Scottish Rite, the 27°, 29°, 30°, and 33° are also Grades of Templarism, although the Scottish Rite
degrees were re-written by Albert Pike to downplay their military character, and stress philosophy and mysticism.