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One in nine people who live in UK born abroad

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posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 09:13 AM
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reply to post by The Last Man on Earth
 


i define my self by my actions
defending ones faith or other Muslims doesnt mean jack all,
unless you expect me to stay out of topics where Muslims are mentioned?

as it looks like you judge people by their faiths and thats something i look downapon.
was it you that lables people Muslim apligists or something along those lines?

when people meet me i dont really say I am muslim (or Hindu)
they presume i am straight, away not that Faith ever comes into discusions


also what do you expect when you use the term Muslim-I-stan?
a Muslim is someone that follows islam. by refering to countries in that name you give the assumption you are talking about Muslims.
what else are we suppose to think?


[edit on 25-2-2009 by bodrul]




posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 09:13 AM
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That's because all the brits now live in france, spain, italy, thailand, etc, etc,


hehe but seriously, i travel all over this country and NO WAY are one in nine people born over seas -this is some statistical fudge or other.

Certain small areas such as bradford contain large majoritys of 'outsiders' however in fact most of the people in these communities are second or third generation immigrants and thus were 'born in the uk' and don't count in these statistics. A few years ago the demand for cheep labor during our building boom caused a massive influx of eastern European builders, much like during the 80's when millions of british builders went over to work in Germany - anyone remember aufedersein pet? Of course the boom ended and now they've mostly gone home ...

I actually agree with lord mandy, they can come here because we can go there - Many, many of my friends do or have worked in the EU, although mostly not out of economic need just because they wanted to but i also work with builders and tradesmen who need to find work in europe because they're so finely skilled that there isn't enough work in the uk for them. While among my unskilled brethrin we know that if the housing market was to crash and newbuilds were to stop then the only way of making ends meet would be to go travel and work in europe/asia.

haha of course when the entire worlds economy crashed and no one is employing anyone anymore there isn't really anywhere to go, still it's good to have choices. These lines on a map are created by the elites to control us, it's time we grew up and realized we don't belong to the lord who's farm we were reared on.



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 09:14 AM
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This is disgusting, I really hope Australia doesn't turn into this
Which it will be if not already is.



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by WishForWings
This is disgusting, I really hope Australia doesn't turn into this
Which it will be if not already is.


Got a load of cousins in Perth, when they were over here last year they stated that there were already quite a few area's that were made up largely of eastern immigrants (Thai, Indian, Pakistani....)



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by WishForWings
This is disgusting, I really hope Australia doesn't turn into this
Which it will be if not already is.


you could always ask the Indignous people how they coped
with Australian immgrants and how they had to adapt



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 09:25 AM
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I only have one question.

Why let the immigrants move in if you have a problem with them?

First they get invited in to do dirty labour jobs and when their kids start to get educated and reproduce rapidly than SUddenly it becomes a Big problem.





[edit on 25-2-2009 by merkava]



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 09:50 AM
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About 12 or 13 years ago, I read that 1 out of every 3 homes purchased in the U.K. was purchased buy an Arab. (not necessarily from Arabia)
That seemed like a very high % to me.



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 11:52 AM
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The big problems people dont seem to be noticicing here, is that Brittish working class are not getting the jobs they used to, they are all going to immigrants, because they will work for less.

Also most of them do not pay income taxes, wich means the goverment gets less, and taxes us more.

And it can cause problems in the workspace when you have a mix of foriegn people who dont understand the language, finding it hard to communicate with the english. Wich can be very dangerous in things like building.

[edit on 25-2-2009 by MR BOB]



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 11:55 AM
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Yeah, we want them here, do do the dirty jobs
(not)
there are plenty of people that will do them who are brittish.

For some reason the goverment doesnt seem to give a crap. it's not the people letting them in.



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 12:13 PM
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And the remaining 8 out of 9 now wish they were abroad.

Englandistan is doomed to be the eternal victim of its own socialist failings.

Adios UK, you guys really used to be something back in the day.



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 01:02 PM
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Isn't it funny how most here have immediately jumped on the anti islam/asian/african bandwagon, conveniently forgetting that most of the people who have come to the UK in the last few years have been european or eastern european.

Isn't it strange how most people forget that throughout history and pre-history, man has migrated to wherever the living is easier - otherwise we'd all still be living in some remote part of africa.

This article isn't about skin colour or belief systems - what say we keep it that way and have a reasonable discussion.



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by merkava
I only have one question.

Why let the immigrants move in if you have a problem with them?


It's not a case of 'letting them move in'. Firstly, a lot of recent immigration (1950s onwards) started with Britain's relationship to its 'Commonwealth countries' relating back to the British Empire. 'Two-way traffic' is to be expected and I question anyone's motives if they have an issue with this.

More recent waves of immigration are as much down to EU-related freedom of movement as they are any specifically British immigration policy. Britain doesn't have that much of a say in Europe-wide immigration and I suspect this is another EU issue where Britain is getting a bit of a shafting from Brussels.

Immigration isn't a bad thing per se, but it's been handled terribly in Britain.


First they get invited in to do dirty labour jobs and when their kids start to get educated and reproduce rapidly than SUddenly it becomes a Big problem.


Actually, a lot of immigrants have been "invited" because of their skills, not just to do the "dirty jobs". Also, a hot topic regarding immigration at the moment are the families of immigrants, however, not so much the children born and raised here but the immediate families of immigrants from non-EU countries.



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 02:32 PM
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The UK has always attracted lots of foreigners to live here. The UK has also been a place where people leave for a new life too. Things change and people move on. The only places that seem to be changing pretty fast are the big cities, they are full of recent immigrants from abroad. Once you leave the cities you don't meet hardly any, I mean I can drive all the way across Englands and then all through Wales and you'd never believe there were any foreigners living in the UK, as long as you avoided the cities.



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 04:07 PM
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Hi.

(Slightly off topic)
I live in an area where the local authority have anounced I am in the minority, I am white British.

Now if you look at this local authority announcement, you may be lead to believe that White Brits are the minority in my area but that simply is not true.
There are more non-white Brits in my area but they are made up of many ethnic minorities. So in fact, White Brits are actually the majority where I live.
See how easy it is to mislead us?


With regards to the OP, I have a question that I would like you all to consider very closely ...........

If these Imigrants were white english speaking imigrants, would it bother you so much??
Now, you can lie to us here but you cannot lie to yourself....... If it wouldnt bother you so much, you are a racist.

I believe that the worlds problems will never be solved whilst mankind is divided. We are divided by Race and Religion.
If you are a racist or if you prejudice someone because of their religion, then in my opinion, you have no right to complain about any of the worlds problems ..... Because you are the cause.

Peace.
David, London UK.



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 10:36 PM
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they are saying hispanic people will make up 40% of the US population by 20[20? or 50? I don't remember lol]. all the major nations will eventually be just mixed cultures, we just need to get all those cultures working together if we were to ever have peace.



posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:32 AM
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The people that are so afraid of immigrants are probable the ones that never traveled beyond their national borders. Living in a country with just a single culture is a little boring to the hell. People change, population change, nations change. Changing is a fact of life.
Just imagine how stupid would be if you keep thinking the same way that you were thinking when you are just a teenager. Meh... I would be really bored and disappointed myself.
Keeping some traditions are good but you can't live in the past forever.
I know accepting the unknown is hard exercise... but we must try


[edit on 26/2/09 by blackcube]



posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 03:21 AM
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Britain is too full, we are only a small group of islands that has been subjected to intense immigration, citing an aging population and strong economic potential being held back by a shortage of workers. I have no issue with the people that come here, but i wish government would take a second look at the impact on those already living here.

Governments are constantly referring to 'the economy' as a whole national entity benefiting from immigration, with the effect on each individual British citizens quality of life not necessarily taken into consideration, especially given the global economic downturn.. now is not the time to be expanding our work force.



posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 04:03 AM
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Originally posted by bodrul
i define my self by my actions
defending ones faith or other Muslims doesnt mean jack all,
unless you expect me to stay out of topics where Muslims are mentioned?


It comes across that you define yourself by your religion, to me. Even if that isn't how you feel, it's how it looks.

And why would I want you to stay out of topics in which Muslims are mentioned? I just want you to not automatically take the sides because one group follows the same religion as you.


Originally posted by bodrulas it looks like you judge people by their faiths and thats something i look downapon.


Yes. Anyone with an invisible friend they worship is... well, is a bit odd, shall we say?


Originally posted by bodrulwas it you that lables people Muslim apligists or something along those lines?


Well, there are people who are Muslim apologists, if that's what you mean?


Originally posted by bodrulalso what do you expect when you use the term Muslim-I-stan?
a Muslim is someone that follows islam. by refering to countries in that name you give the assumption you are talking about Muslims.
what else are we suppose to think?


This..this is pretty much what I mean. If you were to sum up England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales as "Brit-land" or "Atheist-land", it would not provoke my ire one bit.

But it's the "what else are we supposed to think" - do you speak for Muslims collectively? Is it some kind of offence-detecting hive mind, that enables all Muslims to get irate when a non-Muslim uses the word "muslim"?

What I'm saying is that Islam is a big boy now, you don't need to be his mummy.



posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 04:17 AM
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Originally posted by MR BOB
The big problems people dont seem to be noticicing here, is that Brittish working class are not getting the jobs they used to, they are all going to immigrants, because they will work for less.

Also most of them do not pay income taxes, wich means the goverment gets less, and taxes us more.


Which is why I demand enforced equal rights for immigrants, illegal ones also, that way the people who do the hiring don't have a good reason to hire illegal/legal immigrants over natives. This is something I don't understand you see, why are people complaining about immigrants getting all the work when its the fault of the ones doing the hiring if its anyone's fault. I know plenty of British people who migrated and got jobs competing against the natives.

Immigration has its upsides and its downsides admittedly but we cant hire people when we need them and then kick them out when we have unemployed. That's not fair at all, fair weather friends...

I doubt many British people can claim to have a completely British lineage, my family have been in England for many many generations but from my name I can tell that I have some Italian and some German in me. People have been coming to Britain for a long time.



posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 04:30 AM
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Bud, it isn't an anti- Muslim thing.
Unfortunately the PC brigade cherry pick things in an effort to turn any reasonable discussion on immigration into one of race or creed.

The simple facts of the matter are that Britain is over crowded and there are not enough jobs to go around.
That is undeniable.
So why do we continue with this open border policy?

In addition, whereas in the past immigrants made an attempt to integrate into British culture and society whilst offering something new to help society to continue grow and develop, this is not true of a high percentage of current / new immigrants.
Unfortunately, and I recognise that this is a generalisation, the majority of Muslims have no desire to integrate into British society and wish to remain isolated from indigenous British society....indeed a percentage are actively seeking to change British society into a mirror image of whereverstan they came from.

If Britain is such a cauldron of evil then why do these people wish to come here in the first place and why do they work so hard to turn this country into a replica of their country of origin.

I repeat; BRITAIN IS FULL!

If you have something positive to offer and if you are willing to work hard and integrate then you are welcome, if not then you simply are not!

This applies to people of all races and creeds.



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