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Europe: Tolerating Intolerance

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posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 09:53 PM

According to Swedish Radio on Tuesday,statistics from Sweden’s National Council for Crime Prevention
show that the number of reported rapes against children is on the rise.
The figures have nearly doubled in the last ten years: 467 rapes against children under the age of 15 were reported in 2004 compared with 258 in 1995.
Legal proceedings continue this week in a case involving a 13 year old girl from Motala who was said to have been subjected to a group rape by four men.
(Note: These four men were Kurdish Muslims, who raped the girl for hours and even took photos of doing so).

Swedish laws prohibiting "hate speech" against racial minorities have been vigorously enforced.
There have, for example, been a number of gang-rapes of Swedish women by Muslim immigrants.
But Swedes must be careful what they say about them.
On May 25, neo-Nazi Bjorn Bjorkqvist was convicted and sentenced to two months in prison for writing, "I don’t think I am alone in feeling sick when reading about how Swedish girls are raped by immigrant hordes."

The only northern government facing this threat, is Denmark. Debating the subject in Norway/Sweden might get you arrested for hate speach against racial minorities/religion.

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posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 09:55 PM

News Source:
Link contains several Nordic newspaper websites confirming statistics.

Europe is reentering the middleage.
Where a majority of muslim men find the way Nordic women dress, as a way of "asking to be raped".

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posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 10:45 PM
You get what laws you pass. If Sweden and Norway want to have these laws then the people have to obey them or change it. If you cannot say who did it or from what country you believe they came from did it then what can you say to the officials. That THEY did it. If they ask who is THEY you say I don't know but THEY did it. I would think that they would then understand what you mean without disobeying the law. Sometimes you have to find different words to discribe what you mean.

posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 10:51 PM
Yeah, just realised this is too personal for here.

If you are interested in my own experience u2u me.

It is not appropriate to discuss it here.

[edit on 24/2/09 by AngelInterceptor]

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 09:54 AM
So what your telling me is that no Swedish men have ever raped anyone, just Muslims immigrants that do the raping.

What would you say if they weren't Muslims and were Swedish, er thats ok?

You are using a highly emotive situation to prove some racist theory, depict all Muslims as the same.

They are RAPISTS doesn't matter what race, religion, age etc.

(didn't the Swedish do a lot of raping of Brits a few centuries ago) It doesn't matter where you are from, its is just plain wrong full stop.

Now they should get a long sentence in a tough Swedish jail and then be deported. (if my mum had any say she would castrate rapists, now i don't have a problem with this except for the fact that some day someone would be found to be innocent).

edit to add:
Using a known neo-Nazi Bjorn Bjorkqvist to back up your point ....
Europe: Tolerating Intolerance?
I guess your right.

[edit on 25/2/2009 by orgyofthedead]

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 10:38 AM
free speech debate anyone...?

...but on more than one line

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 10:47 AM
a rapist is a rapist, regardless of creed or colour, so.....

saying that immigrants hordes are raping our women is hate speach.

saying the misogynistic culture prevalent in the native countries of some immigrants contributes to a view of women that makes rape more acceptable isn't hate speech.


this thread is really sensationalist.

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 10:48 AM
Misleading title : methinks Sweden isn't exactly Europe.

Even if US-styled Art & Craft of Political Correctness indeedly finds a juicy soil through the entire western Europe... still that very issue the Opost is about seems rather specifically swedish.

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 11:18 AM
Very touchy subject. My feelings are that yes, rapists come in every colour and creed, but due to Europe's increasing adherence to political correctness, crimes by non-indigenous people are often swept under the carpet, or when they are reported, the appearance of the assailant goes unmentioned. The media/law do not have the same regard for privacy, however, when the assailant is 'white European'.

There's big news in Italy currently where immigrants have been identified as the cause of a recent spate of rapes and crimes - disproportionate to their numbers. See here!

There is such a thing as being too welcoming and tolerant to immigrants. Multiculturalism is a failed experiment. I personally believe that the religion of Islam teaches an 'us vs them' attitude, so it is of little surprise when Muslims are less than courteous to their non-Muslim hosts. It's not a racial thing - Islam is a religion not a race, and I believe Middle Eastern people to be as inherently good as anyone else.


posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 11:45 AM
someone will have to ask for an official study (statistics) and if proven that the new commers are doing more crime than their percentage share, then all of them should be packed and sent back home. then open the borders again in 1000 years to check if they got better!

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 11:46 AM
This is a touchy issue but it's also insanity to claim 'sensationalism' or to try to be politically correct in a situation like this. I couldn't imagine keeping something like this 'hush, hush' because it might offend somebody. I'm sorry but rape is damaging and sometimes even destroys the victim. If there is a certain group that is disproportionately responsible for this, then so be it. But those are the trends the statistics are pointing to and those women have every right to be concerned.

From the links in this thread:

While 65 percent of those charged with rape are classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes up only 14.3 percent of Oslo's population.

That is alarming. Forget being politically correct in this case.


"Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes" because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative. The professor's conclusion was not that Muslim men living in the West needed to adjust to Western norms, but the exact opposite: "Norwegian women must realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it."

I'm sorry but the above makes me sick. So does the following:

An Islamic Mufti in Copenhagen sparked a political outcry after publicly declaring that women who refuse to wear headscarves are "asking for rape." Apparently, he isn’t the only Muslim in Europe to think this way:

The German journalist Udo Ulfkotte told in a recent interview that in Holland, you can now see examples of young, unveiled Moroccan women with a so-called "smiley". It means that the girl gets one side of her face cut up from mouth to ear, serving as a warning to other Muslim girls who should refuse to wear the veil. In the Muslim suburb of Courneuve, France, 77 per cent of the veiled women carry veils reportedly because of fear of being harassed or molested by Islamic moral patrols.

Followed by:

Hijab, the Islamic veil, is thus not ”just a piece of cloth”. It serves as a demarcation line between proper, submissive Muslim women and whores, un-Islamic women who deserve no respect and are asking for rape. The veil should more properly be viewed as the uniform of a Totalitarian movement, and a signal to attack those outside the movement. Judged in the light of the Mufti who said that women who don’t wear it are asking for rape, how on earth can the veil be said to be about ”choice”? The freedom to choose not to be raped if you dress in a normal fashion in your own country? Is that what freedom is about in Europe in 2005?

Then the author summarizes:

The conclusion one may draw from this is that the authorities in Sweden and Norway know about, or should know about, a disturbing amount of Muslim immigrant rapes of native Scandinavian women, yet choose not to make this information known to the public. Perhaps it would be just too politically incorrect to reveal the negative effects of decades of naïve immigration policies. Perhaps it would also destroy too many multicultural pipe dreams among the intellectual elites, who have built their current careers and reputations on advocating how culturally and economically enriching this new population mix would be. So in the end, the safety of young Scandinavian women is sacrificed in order to keep the glossy image of a multicultural society intact.

Too bad if anyone is offended by the above. I'm offended these women are being victimized disproportionately by a certain group but it's labeled bigotry to talk about it. If you want to associate the above as equating to ALL Muslim immigrants, then you are the problem because it doesn't need to go there. However, sweeping these statistics and this information under the rug because it might hurt somebody's feelings? Too bad.

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Beltha
Europe is reentering the middleage.
Where a majority of muslim men find the way Nordic women dress, as a way of "asking to be raped".

Thats a disgusting thought.

Deviant sex offenders should be neutered and locked up for a couple of decades.. full stop.

It seems to be a strange loophole but how is it stopping the Nordic countries from cracking down on the crime?

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 12:04 PM
When your "culture" views women as a form of dog capable of making babies, rape is going to become a natural part of your daily behavior, laws aren't going to scare you.

What's more unbelievable is getting 2 months in jail for saying this:

"I don’t think I am alone in feeling sick when reading about how Swedish girls are raped by immigrant hordes."

European socialists are desperately trying to keep a lid on Muslim hatred.

All I ask is that the Muslims try and keep a lid on their hatred of us, especially when they are living in our countries.

Is that too much to ask?

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 12:04 PM
reply to post by AshleyD

I have only one thing to say : BRAVO.

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 12:12 PM

Originally posted by orgyofthedead
So what your telling me is that no Swedish men have ever raped anyone, just Muslims immigrants that do the raping.

Did you even read the sources I added to the post? As more immigrants got into the nordic countries, crime rates raised. And statistics shows that the majority of the offenders were immigrants from muslim countries, even though they only populate 10-30 percent of stated nordic cities, targetting mostly etnic swedish/norwegian women (80% of the cases).

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posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 12:25 PM
Good post Beltha.

I'm not politically correct, however I am respectful. But when a person shows disrespect towards me or my country, why should I be weary of their feelings?

Islam in Europe is a threat to our way of life. And being PC about it only creates more hate and anxiety.


posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 12:27 PM
i think there is going to be a war in europe over this kind of thing, becuase
1:multiculturism is not working.
2:islam continues to spread into the west whilst openly saying we are all infidels & desrve to die.
3:some muslims are openly useing the quran to get away with gang rapes, 1 case in australia the leading muslims cleric said: the woman was a rotton piece of meat & desrved it !!.
4:add the global downturn to this immigration problem & i think its just a matter of time befor things get realy ugly.
i have read the quran my self & i wanted to see for my self what islam was about, after readig the quran i was appalled at how openly the quran preaches hate towards any one that is not muslim, & the quran is not a book of peace.
in the uk i am aso very aware of probems cuased by the influx of muslims & the uk governments fear of standing up to any one that uses the quran to hide behind, the uk government goes out of its way to not upset muslims,
hate speach is frowned upon & common sence to question the ulterior motives of islams intentions in europe are silenced.
so when i look at the bigger picture & hear of similar problems in other parts of europe, sweden/holland/france/italy & others, i have no choice but to look at what options are available to me concerning politics in the uk ??.
not much, i do not agree with much of the bnp far right party, & i would rather vote for a party interested in legalising cannabis, but becuase of the urgency of todays problems becuase of islam, i now feel like i have no other options other than to vote for the bnp !!!!.
there must be many more people thinking about this problem becuase the bnp vote is getting stronger becuase people are starting to realise if we dont act is the uk going to become a new islamic republic ???.
i dont want a fight, but i see islam is giving many people little choice !!.

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 12:42 PM
Ahhh gotta love double standard laws
white people are forever racist, yet no one else is when they voice their views...

Originally posted by cooler
i think there is going to be a war in europe over this kind of thing, becuase
1:multiculturism is not working.

Yeah and the funny thing is that the rich politicians who go on and on about it via the media soapbox will keep doing so, until they have to live next to it
It does not work. It has failed in every country I have been to, including my own.

And also look at black on white crime in the states. Of course whenever you use facts to point this out you are called a racist to shut you up.
I ain't shutting up.. if the truth hurts then get over it.

[edit on 25/2/09 by GhostR1der]

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 12:48 PM
totally out of context.
My husband works at the swedish police force and the rapes and gangrapes are commited by almost 79% swedish people.
but media likes to enlarge things and ONLY show the cases were foreigners rape swedish girls. By the way, not ALL the girls raped in sweden were swedish.
If there´s something to be concerned about is just this. They are trying us to hateeachother and to fight eachother so they (the gov. )can continue with their nasty plans.

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 12:58 PM
I am afraid such tendencies and suppressed anger against non-natives will boil until its too late. It has to be addressed asap, peacefully of course.

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