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Originally posted by JimOberg
Can you provide a link that shows what you consider hard evidence the Russians have a fleet of flight-ready Buran shuttles
Originally posted by Exuberant1
Here is the image located on the Pegasus Research Consortium - in Jack Arneson's Files:
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5f77fa26671e.jpg[/atsimg]
"No Russian Shuttle eh? What I want to know is... WHO took this photo?" - Jack Arneson (thanks Zorgon and Jack!)
Originally posted by JimOberg
Uh, if it's the first Buran flight, why does it already have the entry scorch marks?
Originally posted by ArMaP
Are you sure it stays constant, always with the same intensity and apparent size?
Originally posted by RFBurns
In STS 114, that object does not disappear at all, in fact, it remains not just seen through its entire flight path, it remains consistant in its intensity through the entire video.
It does not fade out, it does not dim, it does not act like anything in your curved trajectory video of tiny mist particles from a waste flush.
I have not made any measurements, but I think it gets dimmer.
Originally posted by JimOberg
Originally posted by Exuberant1
Here is the image located on the Pegasus Research Consortium - in Jack Arneson's Files:
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5f77fa26671e.jpg[/atsimg]
"No Russian Shuttle eh? What I want to know is... WHO took this photo?" - Jack Arneson (thanks Zorgon and Jack!)
Uh, if it's the first Buran flight, why does it already have the entry scorch marks?
Originally posted by Exuberant1
Originally posted by JimOberg
Uh, if it's the first Buran flight, why does it already have the entry scorch marks?
I didn't say the picture was of the "first Buran flight".... Nice try.
Do you have any thoughts on who may have took the picture?
Originally posted by RFBurns
Point is...there is no significant amount of intensity change in that object throughout the entire length of the video we have.
Originally posted by RFBurns
Maybe because just like NASA, they dont always replace every single tile unless it is necessary.
Welp...I would say that Buran flew more than just once there Jim...probably a few times prior to the Soviet Union's collapse. Though the official record states they only flew it once, un-manned for a test, I dont expect the Soviet Union at that time would have told any of us the truth regarding their prized spacecraft and its actual activities....sound familiar there Jim?
Originally posted by JimOberg
Originally posted by RFBurns
Point is...there is no significant amount of intensity change in that object throughout the entire length of the video we have.
Quite the opposite was proven only a few pages back. The change in brightness is consistent with something about doubling its range over the time period shown.
Originally posted by JimOberg
I asked earlier, in this field of view, which way is toward the nose, and which way toward the tail -- so as to correlate, or NOT, any activity of vents and thrusters in either end of the shuttle.
Originally posted by JimOberg
RF, do you have any opinion of the orientation of this field-of-view with the orbiter's structure? Do you consider it useful, even important, information?
Originally posted by RFBurns
Originally posted by JimOberg
I asked earlier, in this field of view, which way is toward the nose, and which way toward the tail -- so as to correlate, or NOT, any activity of vents and thrusters in either end of the shuttle.
I dont know which way would be the nose or which way would be the tail. We cannot see anything in the video that gives us a clue as to the shuttle's orientation at the time this video was shot. It would be indeed quite helpful to have that data as well as the camera's postion in realtion to the shuttle orientation to ascertain any thruster activity.
Originally posted by zorgon
So errmmm what's THIS one?
Originally posted by JimOberg
Originally posted by RFBurns
Originally posted by JimOberg
I asked earlier, in this field of view, which way is toward the nose, and which way toward the tail -- so as to correlate, or NOT, any activity of vents and thrusters in either end of the shuttle.
I dont know which way would be the nose or which way would be the tail. We cannot see anything in the video that gives us a clue as to the shuttle's orientation at the time this video was shot. It would be indeed quite helpful to have that data as well as the camera's postion in realtion to the shuttle orientation to ascertain any thruster activity.
We agree on this.
The difference is, I went and did something about it.
I got the data and posted it here.
You seem not to have noticed.
You seem to act as if this data was never sought, and never posted, anywhere in all these years of previous discussions.
But now we are making progress. Yes, the data is needed. And yes, it's available. Now let's examine its implications.
Originally posted by JimOberg
Originally posted by Exuberant1
Here is the image located on the Pegasus Research Consortium - in Jack Arneson's Files:
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5f77fa26671e.jpg[/atsimg]
"No Russian Shuttle eh? What I want to know is... WHO took this photo?" - Jack Arneson (thanks Zorgon and Jack!)
Uh, if it's the first Buran flight, why does it already have the entry scorch marks?
May 2004 - Bigelow Aerospace and Kosmotras have executed a Non-Technical Framework Agreement, that, pending U.S. Department of State approval of a Technical Assistance Agreement, will allow Kosmotras to launch a BA spacecraft in 2006 aboard the Dnepr Launch Vehicle. The Framework Agreement also provides BA with the option to purchase several additional launches aboard the Dnepr in the future.
Originally posted by Exuberant1
I wonder if this is related to the two 'debris' warnings that the ISS has received in the past two weeks....
Originally posted by zorgon
WHO TOOK THE PICTURE is a valid still unanswered question...
And where is Ptichka? the little Bird?
Originally posted by JimOberg
Every time you try posing as a credible space expert, you embarass yourself -- and the people who swallow your stuff -- further.