UNWRA HQ in Gaza hit by 3 Israeli white phosphorous shells

reply to post by arcnaver


No, but that doesn't make WP any less dangerous. Israel is not infallible. They miss their intended target often. You use WP in a crowded area, even by accident, the effects are devastating.

IMO, there is no better way to create terrorists than "accidentally" burning some young kids parents to death, or best friend to death, with WP. I quote accidental because face it, do the victims care about intent when their people are dying?

Some guy runs over your parents speeding down the road, you find out its not the first time hes run somebody over. How do you feel? The comparison isn't the greatest since they are at war, but for the innocent people involved they don't see it like that. All they see is somebody they love being killed by an Israeli bomb.

It creates hate. Hate is what got us into this terrorist bombshell.

reply to post by grimreaper797


Also this was dated on the 13th, which was before the heavy bombardment started - I wonder what the RC have to say now they've been targeted? If you look further, it's only an official statement from those in the top, "There is no evidence that Israel is using WP illegally" but as we know there is a full media blackout (bar ramattan) so what would they know? In fact the Ramattan feed certainly indicates that WP is being used illegally in Gaza city.

reply to post by Goathief


Did not know that. When was the UN compound hit with WP? Was that yesterday?

Originally posted by masonwatcher
Israel does not see the laws of the world as applicable to itself. it is a criminal state.

Of course not. They are the victims of the world, forever, and thus everything they do to others is inherently justified for some reason or another. Or even if it is not they don't really care.

Originally posted by Goathief
Also this was dated on the 13th, which was before the heavy bombardment started - I wonder what the RC have to say now they've been targeted? If you look further, it's only an official statement from those in the top, "There is no evidence that Israel is using WP illegally" but as we know there is a full media blackout (bar ramattan) so what would they know? In fact the Ramattan feed certainly indicates that WP is being used illegally in Gaza city.

The official statement is fully correct. WP is not being used illegally. It is being used legally according to Israeli law.

If three terrorists break into your home with AK-47's, are you harboring terrorists? If they set up a mortar spot next door to you, are you harboring terrorists? Were those 40 school children that died harboring terrorists because a couple terrorists shot off some mortars pretty close by? Honestly? If some really fanatical guys with guns and explosives set up right next to you, what would you do? The answer? Nothing. You wouldn't do anything if a group of fanatics armed bone and teeth with guns and explosive started firing off near you. There would be nothing you could do. You'd probably get shot just for trying. Welcome to life with Hamas.

Perhaps you didnt notice the purposefully harboring them part.
That kind of 'sit around and let it happen' attitude is exactly why the civilian population is in so much trouble right now. Their is always a choice.

I said nothing about genocide. I said they just don't care. If they kill 100 civilians to kill one guy shooting off a mortar, they would undoubtedly do it. THAT is my issue. A disregard for everyone else to get what they see is theirs. They do that all the time. Israel is all that matters to them, everyone else is expendable if need be.

Many others have said that on this thread.
I as a infantry soldier am being attacked by a group of terrorists hiding behind civilians, I would have to make a very hard decision to pull that trigger. It is an unfortunate reality of war and a crappy situation for all involved, especially the innocents. Many of those civilians willingly become human shields, many of those civilians are also the enemy. Can you pick them out? None of them are wearing a uniform?

Sure, even if it is a couple amateur fanatics taking a couple pot shots with some mortars, even if it ends up with dozens of innocent people dead. That is the problem. They target anything that has even the possibility of thread with complete disregard.

Again, can you pick them out. Everyone is a potential enemy, yes even the children. Many a soldier have been killed by gun slinging children and grenade throwing moms with babies strapped to their backs. Again, can you pick them out of a crowd? Its not so black and white is it?

sorry, but that simply isn't true. They haven't been selective, and they don't show much restraint. They simply bomb the hell out of anything that might pose a threat, regardless of how many innocent people get hurt.

Easy to say when you look through a straw at the situation. Easy to say when alls you are seeing is a camera shot from the point of view of someone else who doesnt want you to see the kids dropping the rocks and picking up the guns, or who conveniently places a Mickey Mouse doll in a pile of rubble to make it look Worse.

What evidence do you have that they have not been selective? Are you in the war room with them? Again, if they were not being selective, the death toll would be in the hundreds of thousands by now, not the tens of hundreds.

We have differing points of view on this issue. No problemo. Thats life.

Originally posted by arcnaver

I as a infantry soldier am being attacked by a group of terrorists hiding behind civilians, I would have to make a very hard decision to pull that trigger. It is an unfortunate reality of war and a crappy situation for all involved, especially the innocents. Many of those civilians willingly become human shields, many of those civilians are also the enemy. Can you pick them out? None of them are wearing a uniform?

That might prove to a bid hard to do with absolute certainty. So let's kill them all, then.

Is that what you mean?

reply to post by arcnaver


"We have differing points of view on this issue."

Many ATS members have lived under foreign military occupation.

I can tell that you are not one of them.

*When say, the British army decides to use your front yard as a firing position - there is nothing the Irish Catholic Can do about it. 'British militants'...

I can't believe we're even debating whether this was an accident or not. UN are for the most part impartial in this war. But to Israel impartiality means siding with "Hamas"

Having UN and other neutral bodies such as the human rights watch and reporters in their warzone is very inconvenient. Israel and America have a ceasefire they need to derail, and having witnesses to what's actually going on is going to make it very difficult to duck out of without some heavy criticism.

They're murdering citizens, and attempting to force Hamas to disarm at the same time, to make their jobs even easier. This murder ensures Hamas will not back down, and this just suits IDF down to the ground just so long as all they're facing is some AK shells. Pretty soon people will be throwing rocks at helicopters and fighter jets.

[edit on 17-1-2009 by Lazyninja]

Willie Petes in action...



"We are not targeting civilians..."

Originally posted by fatdad
israel have just overtaken germany in the Genocide stakes.

1 thousand v 6 million..i think your a fool to make this comment..shame on you

Genocide is genocide. And Israel is committing it plain and simple. Are you suggesting that the numbers justify Israel genocide here? Does Israel get a free pass here untill the numbers are that much?

What happened to remember it so it can never happen again?

reply to post by Operation AJAX


I think that's kinda the point. If you look at it that way, you could say Israel has taken over Germany not in the amount killed, but killed while the whole world is watching and breaking just about every international war rule in the book.

We're supposed to be more civilized nowdays. This isn't a world any of us want to live in. Well most of us anyway. Some people almost celebrate this kind of thing because they're oblivious to the reality of war, and are viewing reality through a lens distorted by movies and videogames.

a reply to: blobby

8 years later, it seems that this war crime - and all others performed during operation Cast Lead - are still on the table :

Israeli MP cancels Brussels trip over war crimes summons

Israel denounced Friday the "cynical exploitation" of Belgium's judicial system, after Belgian prosecutors confirmed they wanted to question a former Israeli minister over war crimes allegations.

Tzipi Livni was expected to visit Brussels to meet Jewish leaders in the city but "cancelled three or four days before," a spokesman for the event said.

He said the cancellation was for "personal reasons" but local newspaper Le Soir said prosecutors had been hoping to question Livni over allegations of war crimes in the 2008-9 Israeli war in Gaza, when she was foreign minister.

"We wanted to take advantage of her visit to try to advance the investigation," a spokesman for Belgium's federal prosecutor Thierry Werts told AFP.

Livni's spokeswoman did not respond to requests for comment from AFP, but the foreign ministry reacted strongly.

"We reject this cynical abuse of the Belgian legal system to advance a political agenda," ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nahshon said.

He labelled the attempt to question Livni "another cheap publicity stunt with no legal basis that was organised and executed by an anti-Israeli organisation."

Livni, one of Israel's most influential women, is named along with other political and military leaders in a complaint filed in June 2010 over alleged crimes committed during Operation Cast Lead.

More than 1,400 Palestinians, mostly civilians, died during the Israeli offensive between December 27, 2008 to January 18, 2009.

Thirteen Israelis, including ten soldiers, also died.

S.O.P. for Jihadis using their own for shields but that stopped working when BUSH rolled in ,THEY really don'y care if it involves Jihadists now.
If the target is a high enough priority it happens.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

No need, YOU are mostly pussies.
JUST the ones who have HIJACKED a faith..(MUST have missed a few things)