So now im left wondering, IS war an inevitablilty? is war an instinct embedded so deeply into us that no matter how much we evolve we will always resort to it when we disagree?
What about people such as Hitler who by all means was a nut job? How do you stop someone like him with out resorting to war?Are we doomed to fight untill we are all dead? Is it really naive try and find a way out of a disagrement other than war?
Is war truly an inevitablility or is there another way? If so, what?
Originally posted by TheMythLives
War comes in many forms like I stated above and with knowledge, war can be inevitable, but the price of it..people may not want to recieve, give or even look upon that option. Love, Unity, and Freedom maybe to much to ask. The Neo Nazi's, Black Panthers, KKK, Gangs, Mafia all have one option to be number one, to rise above all else. This is something that will inevitably lead to wars forever, unless man decides to stop, lay down there arms and hug there neighbors..with all differences aside.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
#1- Dont let the international bankers fund his war machine
well there you have it, "the way to prevent war" IMHO
stop the funding
no $$$ = no war
Originally posted by dooper
I'm very much afraid I agree with your father. Within a couple more decades, you'll grow closer to his point of view as experience alone will draw you.
Originally posted by NatureBoy
The way i see it is once upon a time rape was inevitable, i don't know how we treated each other when we liven on the savana and hunted game for food but i do know that for large stretches of our history a married woman was forced to sleep with her husband, now in most places around the world the thought of someone beating and raping their wife would be highly shocking.
Again with slavery, in the bible slavery is a fully accepted practice and remained so more or less untill fairly recently - imagine the outcry if the boys come home from afghan carrying arm fulls of plundered gold and the wives and children of their vanquished enemys!
I consider violence to be much the same, i haven't been in a fight for a very long time because quite simply avoiding them is easy. I don't avoid anywhere and i drink in some very violent places but yet i haven't needed to punch someone since school because i never give anyone a reason to punch me, i find that communication and understanding are more than enough to diffuse any situation.
War is the same, while we still have power elites and empires and nation states and ego politics then yeah we are going to have wars, while one group of people still thinks they need to dominate another then we will have wars - it's not the only way though and as people start to understand that war is never good for either side we will start to see wars fade away.
So what is the answer? Do we "get rid" of people who are in such groups or encourage such behavior? Do we live and let live and see how things turn out?
If we were to get rid of such groups, we would no doubt for groups of our own in the process and end up right where we started only with new groups. Or would we? Is there a way to get rid of such groups non violently?
But how would we do that with out getting into a new war with the bankers? Its there money and its theres to do with it as they want I suppose. So if we swoop down and put restrictions on just how they can spend their own money I imagine there would be quite a few unhappy people.
So what do we do then? Do "take out" the bankers thus eliminating any possibility of them funding such wars? Or is there another way we could get them to stop funding the wars? Sanctions on the bankers mabye?
humans are merely glorified apes
This the same Hitler who grew up with a jewish nanny and loved her so much that he made the politically dangerous choice to save her from the nazi war machine when austria was invaded?
So if it isnt inevitable, what can we do to make sure we are around long enough to get past this stage?
Im afraid im coming up with more questions then I am answers. Is war inevitable? If not is it too late to change the world before we destroy it?
Originally posted by TheMythLives
No, in the end everything comes to an end. Ever since the world came into existence it has been dieing, much like a child at birth as soon as it is born it begins to die. Everything leads to death. But its before death that we allow ourselves to make decisions and believe in things that could inevitably change the world. The second law of thermodynamics says it perfectly "everything tends towards choas". Nothing gets better over time, it will eventually come to an end. Death is only the beginning of a new life and a new start. But its the choices that we make in this life that will effect the way we see things in the next.
Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
I wonder though, Lets say we end up blowing the earth up, I mean nuking it lifeless. What then? are we stuck in some sort of limbo?
Is it possible to start instilling in our children that war is not the only answer, that it might make a difference? Is it possible that they could pass that on to their kids and so on and so forth? I just wonder if it would be too little to late.
On a side note, Two of the quotes that you replied to in your reply to me werent mine. The about "humans being glorified apes" and the one about hitler having a jewish nanny (or whatever it was) were both some one elses. Im not sure if you put those in there on purpose, I just wanted to let you know.
Originally posted by FritosBBQTwist
What if humans have ALWAYS been here? And every single time, the human race is given a chance at infinite survival (as a species). But with this, the race is given the liberty to build the world around them.
Thats what I personally believe, that we have always existed as the humans we are today. The fall of man, introduced the beginning of a new age, but at the same time introduced death and choas.
Every time the humans got so far, it was never natural causes that made them become extinct, but their own faults. So once they have caused ultimate destruction, this planet renews itself, erasing all evidence of life.
Its a good theory and I think you should strat a thread about it personally.
Then once again, a god puts more humans on another planet so far away to start again with the same circumstances and outcomes over and over...
I think there is one God, but that theory is not a bad one either. It could put evidence forth for why we have all these planets. Every Planet so far shows how we have failed as a society. For instance Mars barren wasteland planet probably the cause of some sort of global warming..lol.. Jupitor probably nuked it, look at all the weather thats on Jupitor absolutly crazy. Interesting theory.
Once humans finally learn to live in peace is the day that we learn the meaning of life, the past, and future. On that day, god will reveal himself and tell them of the challenge they have won. After that humans can enjoy eternal happiness.
Its possible, but the creator is probably waiting for his creation to rise up and return to our former glorified status on our own. But if we do not he will end the world to usher in a new age, because honestly nothing gets better over time, unless it recieves help of some kind to possibly survive. But by us pushing ourselves away from God, society telling God he does not belong, its not so hard to see why the world is so bad off.
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Originally posted by infolurker
Your father is right.
There will ALWAYS be humans who wish to enforce their will on others. That is human nature... only those who grow up in comfort and security their whole lives don't recognize that... yet. (Ever been to a city where there are not ANY bullies in the high school? Well the world is like that except the bullies have armies and are a hell of allot more ruthless)
Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
I see people everyday, resolving disagreements without going to war with eachother, They dont even show the urge to kill one another. But why dont our governments try that? I mean it seems now a days that the last thing they try is diplomacy and the first....war.
Am I, an adult male, with a family that he takes care of, really that different from the rest of the world? Am I the only one who is capable of resolving issues without violence?
I doubt it, but the majority of the people I talk to seem to think that war IS inevitable. Why though? Are we really that afraid to try something different?
You may have heard the definition of insanity. If not, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result each time. Thus, war is insane. We keep going to war expecting that its going to solve all our problems,despite the fact that it never has. It may slow the problem down but over time it still persists.
So why are we so afraid to try and resolve issues in a different way? Is it perhaps not that humans nature is war, but mabye humans are insane by nature?
After all, we are the ones who fail to catch on that war has yet to resolve our issues. So is that it? Are humans insane by nature?