Consider yourself lucky to be abducted.

reply to post by Wickerman1972 So bug eyed aliens bad humans good. If I was to make fun of some one that had a disabilty or a birth defect would that be acceptable. Would you like someone who was making statments like that about a friend of yours that was wearing glasses. I also do believe allot of us abductees do feel a certain affection to the what has been called aliens. Not because we are better then everyone.Not that we are special and know more then anyone else. But because some thing from some other place . Has given us a experience that changes are lives forever. And it is in a good way. The only thing that life has taught me and others is you cannot trust anyone. How many people down here wonder what there loving family member has left them in the will. How many people can trust there own wife or husband. How many times do our children lie to us. We wrap ourselves in this unseen God . Claim to be such nice people to everyone.I am not as bad as that guy so I am good. But hey just say I am sorry and Jesus will let you get to heaven. Know matter what you have done.Kill the world and its just ok . I am sorry I am not perfect but neither is anyone else down here. I am just thankful the aliens have not just thrown us abductees out in space. So I am thankful to them. They are far better then others I have met because they have not judged me as have my loving humans.

reply to post by Wickerman1972 As you say reported to do.So if our scientists new about the pain and suffering. Then I guess animals feel no pain. i went to Brandies college as a kid .Down stairs in on of there labs they had dogs that they took the eye out to study.But the dog got to keep the other eye the other had a patch on it.They do not kill the dog they might need more parts to study. But thats ok its only a dog no big deal.They should bring children in maybe they can see how animals should be treated. So if the aliens give abductees a experience and not let them remeber it right away. Or let the ones that can handle it without freaking out.And running to the cops screaming help me I was abducted and locked up for being a nut is a bad thing. So I wonder why we have drugs that will numb the pain of a operation but they won't let us watch them take our gauld bladder out or have our lungs taken out or eye. Must be because they think we will freak out. So goes most of the experiences it is not the act of the abductions that people fear is the fact they do not know why it is done.But this still does not mean it is a bad thing. And as far as single abductions or being with others. I am lucky once with my brother and several times with my friend Scott and his wife. Another time with my now ex wife. So why are we not running for cover or screaming for help. Why does everything that is different have people thinking it is out to get us.Could you tell me why if they are so bad .Why are there any abductees to even tell the story.Why not just kill us and throw us out in the field.It is not like we can catch them. How many people would grab there gun to kill the aliens verses walking over and wanting to make friends. way to many.

reply to post by FlyersFan I guess I and others who have not been hurt by them cannot just think of them as bad. I have had night mares in the past but not of aliens of people trying to hunt me down and kill me.But that might have something to do because of being in the Marines in the early 70s. There will always be people that will look only at the bad and believe it. And will never know matter what look at things as positive. I grew up in Boston I know of the no trust syndrome. But that is because you had to be careful what neighborhood you were in. I have had a kniife pulled on me once a gun once in the Carolinas and jumped by a couple of guys in another state. But that was my own fault I must have been somewhere in my own country I fought for were I should not have been. But wait maybe they were alien hybrids because all humans are good aliens bad.

Originally posted by almostalien
reply to post by Wickerman1972

 

Yes you keep going for your fellow man. And as far as anal probeing it sounds like to many porn movies to me. Or maybe the pedafiles are the nice ones .Or maybe the prisons are full of just nice people let them out and come to your house for breakfast. I look at things differently as like you said do allot of abductees.As far as worshipping the so called aliens. I just look at it as the same as man hunting for the horns of a animal. Or killing whales or other living things for fun. So I am on the aliens side and can understand why others are also.Not to say there are not allot of nice people out in the world. But I am not one that will condemed a whole race of beings just because they are different. Does a child that you love know why you the parent brings him to the doctors to have needles put in his arms and he is crying. Because he understands why the parent he loves is letting him get hurt no and the ice cream afterward does not take the pain away either.

Pfft, I give up. Well, go ahead and despise humanity and buddy up with reptiles and walking insects if that is your thing. I just hate to see someone give up on their race because some fancy hardware and meaningless metaphors were dangled in front of them. I guess that scientists and academics laughing at abductees instead of trying to help them isn't helping matters. I'm not claiming to be beyond brainwashing but I'd like to believe that it would take a lot more than the esoteric (And often hypocritical) things aliens say about the environment, etc, to get me to change coats. But, after all, they've got shiny saucers and paralyzing rays and all we have is airplanes and plain ol' six shooters so they MUST be better than us, right?


[edit on 2-1-2009 by Wickerman1972]

reply to post by Wickerman1972 yes I guess I am being selective.But I can only go on my abduction experiences and my friends . Why would I think aliens are bad when I have never been hurt or my brother or my friends. If my boss gives me a raise should I say he is mean for it.If my mother gives me a car should I think of her as what is she up to.It must be no good.Or should I look at it as others who she did not buy a car for and say yes all the rest of you are right my mothers mean she did not buy you guys a car.And why is it that most people who responded to what I have written I should say all who have responded are saying they are up to no good or I have been brainwashed .Or they are using me for misinformation to say they are nice when they really just want to take over the planet and are using me to do it. I thought for sure there would be at least one person to respond and at least say I do not know what they are up to. I hope it is for the good of us.No not one alien are all bad humans are the greatest gift to the universe. When I think of all the bad things I have done in my life i will not justife them they were wrong.I was wrong to think it and wrong for doing it.No excuses. No devil sitting on my shoulder saying do this .I did it and owned up to it.It was knowones fault but my own.Not the aliens fault not the Goverment fault mine and mine alone.

reply to post by Wickerman1972 Yes ray guns reptiles saucers. So why do they not shoot down our planes. And as far as being reptile. I never was abducted by a reptile. So as far as I can tell.There are us who have the experience and think it is a good thing and we are wrong for thinking it and manipulated.Then there are the abductees who are being forced into having sex with the aliens and feel violated. They must give those men alien viagra.Because last time I was scared to death I did not feel like having sex nor could I had. But they know what they are talking about. And are right that the aliens are up to no good.Negative good positive bad. But as humans everyone everywhere has a right to there oppinion. Whether we agree or not is really not important. Because when a star burns out in other galaxys nobody even notices and thats a whole other world so what really is my or your oppinion worth really not a heck of allot.

Originally posted by almostalien
reply to post by Wickerman1972 yes I guess I am being selective.But I can only go on my abduction experiences and my friends . Why would I think aliens are bad when I have never been hurt or my brother or my friends. If my boss gives me a raise should I say he is mean for it.If my mother gives me a car should I think of her as what is she up to.It must be no good.Or should I look at it as others who she did not buy a car for and say yes all the rest of you are right my mothers mean she did not buy you guys a car.And why is it that most people who responded to what I have written I should say all who have responded are saying they are up to no good or I have been brainwashed .Or they are using me for misinformation to say they are nice when they really just want to take over the planet and are using me to do it. I thought for sure there would be at least one person to respond and at least say I do not know what they are up to. I hope it is for the good of us.No not one alien are all bad humans are the greatest gift to the universe. When I think of all the bad things I have done in my life i will not justife them they were wrong.I was wrong to think it and wrong for doing it.No excuses. No devil sitting on my shoulder saying do this .I did it and owned up to it.It was knowones fault but my own.Not the aliens fault not the Goverment fault mine and mine alone.

 

I think we have a misunderstanding here. I never said that the aliens are definitely bad, merely that many of their actions are suggestive of negative intent. At the very least we should be able to agree that there is good reason to be suspicious of their behavior. Believe me, I don't have my mind made up about any of this. The conquerors from space theory doesn't make complete sense to me because with the level of technology they've displayed it is clear that they could wipe us out at anytime of their choosing and there would be little we could do about it.

I can't even make up my mind that they are ETs! They could be interdimensional beings or hell, perhaps even spiritual beings, time travelers, demons, our creators, even us from the future! My mind is much more open on this subject than you seem to believe. I am in no no way certain that they are evil, good, or whatever. I am merely quite suspicious of their behavior because much of it has the appearance of malevolence. Their secrecy hints at the same thing.

As far as what you've personally experienced vs the entire body of the data goes I like to look at things from a broad perspective. The fact is that thousands of people are reporting the things I've been talking about in this thread.

But the primary concern I've been hammering at in this thread isn't even about the aliens but some abductees' attitudes towards them. I simply believe that it is premature to label them as benevolent, to accept them as some sort of saviors, and above all else to view them in a better light than our own brothers and sisters native to this planet. No matter how fantastic they might be my loyalties will always stay with my fellow man because damn it, I am one of them.

And it seems to me that being suspicious of them is the safest route to take. If I am wrong to suspect that they may be up to no good then so what? Nothing bad will come from that. However, if those who believe they are benevolent are wrong the consequences could be disastrous. Like I said earlier in this thread I believe it is always best to prepare for the worse possible scenario.

reply to post by mystiq Let me ask you this.Do you think humans not all are violent to animals and things they do not see as cute.Do us as humans look at different races of people as different and some times use that to start wars to get everyone on board.Like saying statements like they believe when they die they will have many virgins. To somehow justifie killing them.Not that it says that in the book.I guess if I myself said I want my heaven to be fishing all day.That would be me and a few others not what I read in the bible but I guess someone could use it against me.Just want to know your feelings on these things.And regardless of what you right .We do not have to agree knowone will agree on everything.But that does not mean that there is not allot we do agree on.

reply to post by Wickerman1972I do not think they are some form of God or they are flying around telling people the end of the world is coming.We do that enough on our own.Y2K ,Nibiru, Mayan Calender.Nostradamus and all the rest.Some times if you believe all this stuff we could not live outside we would need to be in a bunker.And yes some people already are getting ready for that one. Let me put it to you this way.If I ever feel or even think aliens are up to no good I would do everything in my power to destroy them.As I would do to humans who invade my house and want to kill the things I love. But until I have a bad experience I cannot just read other peoples stuff and say they are telling the truth the aliens must be destroyed. Just like I cannot think all women are out to take me for everything I have.Or my friends down here are going to hurt me in some way.Some have in the past they are no longer my friends and if the law and this God thing I have to worry about was not in the way they would not even be walking around. So I do not blame you for being cautious . But that is different then being totally negative. As I watched every step I make when I played with the bears .So am I with my alien friends. until I get bit I will enjoy the experiences.[ more]

reply to post by almostalien


Nordics talk to people face to face, often with impact (well the whole idea is impact, quite an experience for someone if you can recall such an event) but often, women initiate contact with men, and men with women. Naturally, they have our attention.

Greys and anyone not perceived as human would be attacked by many. Even though they could defend themselves, its not a scene they would welcome. Humans are primitive, not every one, of course not.

I'm well aware of certain people having negative experiences with greys/reptilian type species, renegades and possibly connected to working with the cabal for bad purposes. There are other groups, large galactic and intergalactic groups, who have watched over and continued work here for ages, even after the renegades invaded and made trouble for many species and planets. This is an overview of many's testimony, from Alex Collier, to mention of Altair, and reconpilot's information on ATS. It also is how I interpret the book of Enoch, a group of controlling ets, crippling us and keeping us as their slaves, and a group (probably due to our being their genetic offspring) assuming we would evolve to the cosmos.
There is a responsiblity.

Dr. Michael Wolf's interviews on youtube and google video are very interesting. What he said about the greys and ets he met with, I already felt.
The ets that we experience have a complete dislike for our leaders, and respect the natives and promote a moneyless resource society, but not an elitist one, a grass roots one. I see something different happening. We need to wake up and tell the leaders they stand alone, and act cooperatively, helping each other with honor. This is what we need. We need to wake others because I feel something is going to happen soon in our world, this year, or within 2 years, and people have to wake up. We need to stop the codex code food control, and start to focus on healthy raw vegetables, high quality proteins, not red meat, mediatation and wake up. We also need to get together in large numbers and ask for help from those who are benevolent. I believe this war and resistance and an attempt to destroy the US and break up nations is going to be lost, and in the end et will get involved. But the message I was told was that it would take 300 years roughly, for the beginnings of a more equal, aggregarion peaceful communities, that could begin to advance into the cosmos, kind of a toe in. 800 years would be significant.

Whats coming ahead though, needs to be resisted, and people need to let the cartel and leaders know they stand alone, and group up and get cooperative, community minded and very helpful to each other. That was the heart of my messages.

We weren't engineered to be the violent slave group that fights their wars and keeps them in their privileged states. We will need to work on this.

Speaking of the possible malevolence of these beings read this. It is the February, 2003 issue of the MUFON journal. Read the very first article in it, which is less than 2 pages long. I just finished reading this article a few minutes ago and gotta' say that it chilled me a bit because the witness describes having seen a dead little girl aboard the craft. Keep in mind that this is not in some crazy tabloid or paranoid website but an article in the MUFON journal which is as respectable as it gets when it comes to UFOs. When I read things like this notions of a benevolent race here to save us from ourselves just gets sillier and sillier to me.

[edit on 2-1-2009 by Wickerman1972]

reply to post by aleon1018Boy thats pretty bad the aliens have cored us out and dumped us out in some field. And I am the lucky one they have not done it to.I would like that information on the name of the one they dumped out in the field cored out.Was the man or women marryed and how is the rest of his or her family doing knowing what happened to there loved one being cored out.What state did that happen in. Or what website can I go and find out .Or is just this your thought of what is going on.Or maybe disinformation in the negetive direction . I wonder how many of our missiles have been launched over the years at ships from somewhere else.I also wonder how many were friendly but we assumed as many do everything that is not from this God fearing earth is mean and must be destroyed.Welcome life from other worlds we could learn allot from you but you must be killed.Then we can pick threw the rubble and maybe find something out.Boy for the believers who believe in the second coming of the Christ.I hope he does not just come down out of the sky because there goes the missile.For who would believe he was anything but a alien and up to no good.

reply to post by mystiq Yes we are always listening to the BS as you say.And some people are negative on almost every issue. So the abduction experience would also fall in this catagory. I think if allot of people would be allot more possitive in what we might learn as friends rather then enemys there would be allot more knowledge gained.And when you hear things like the aliens are doing bad things to everyone.Or the ones that hold no bad feeling to them .They are being manipulated. So if a women says she loves me or my mom buys me some thing it is just a ploy to control me or gain favor. So I should feel more comfortable with people who think negative about things. And that is the smart choice.Then how long would it be for them to turn on me and stick a knife in my back and then say it was for my own good.I was not happy anyway.Until I see a U.F.O shooting down a passenger plane full of people in it.Instead of flying around it to show us how good there technology is compared to ours. I will always defend them.Because I am sure you are aware of all the false stories people make up for what ever reason. Like have sex with a alien. Yes why have the aliens take some of our stuff mix in a dish like we do when a women is hard to have a child for better results. When the aliens can give me space viagra to get over there looks to mate with them .And if it does not take the first time I can just keep going back to the ship for more trials. When has man bred with anything other then human and have some other thing come out half and half. The closest we have ever come is a zebra and a horse. Not anything like a snake with a monkey.