How can anyone in the America's be for Israel getting there land back when the natives here got not

How can anyone in North or South America be for Israel getting there land back when most of the land in the american continents has been taken from the natives over the past 400 years.

They both have as much claim to there home lands so why is it that we speak of there should be a Jewish state for Israelis.

But when it comes to the natives of america its a big no, The natives of the Americas should have there own country.

Dont mention the reservations I mean a fully independent nation outside of any other countries borders.

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Just to mention I'am not against either Im just pointing out how people are hypocrites.

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1. Because the people who are for returning land to Israel are the same people who are for taking land away from Native Americans.

2. Because Israel is an important ally to the West.

3. Because backing Israeli positions offers the West important advantages in a strategically vital region.

4. Money

5. Religion (Israel is also home to Christianity and Islam, the world's two largest religions.)


*The hypocrisy is duly noted.

Yes very true but you won't get any replies from that, no one will argue against you because you are right, and if they argue than your thread will get more replies and more hits and stuff.

I will totally agree, I believe the 2nd post by darthchrisious summed it up rather well.

complete hypocrisy.

They both have as much claim to there home lands so why is it that we speak of there should be a Jewish state for Israelis.

Because the UN partitioned land for Israel, not the Native Indians.

Don't you hardcore anti-Israel guys love the UN?

Originally posted by kvaniu
How can anyone in North or South America be for Israel getting there land back when most of the land in the american continents has been taken from the natives over the past 400 years.

They both have as much claim to there home lands so why is it that we speak of there should be a Jewish state for Israelis.

But when it comes to the natives of america its a big no, The natives of the Americas should have there own country.

Dont mention the reservations I mean a fully independent nation outside of any other countries borders.

[edit on 1-1-2009 by kvaniu]

Just to mention I'am not against either Im just pointing out how people are hypocrites.

[edit on 1-1-2009 by kvaniu]

cause they're not perfect?

Originally posted by jam321
Because the Jew owned-UN partitioned land for Israel, not the Native Indians.

Fixed.

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Not what I said but funny nonetheless.

So do you think that that Jew owned UN that you state will get involved and solve the problem. I mean after all they are criticizing Israel pretty good.

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That's all for show. As you've said UN is a useless organization. But that's only because TPTB wants it to be that exactly. Once civil unrest occurs in the US we will know just how powerful this organization is.

Darth Chrisious, I am not a Jew, but you might have offended the Jews by saying that Jerusalem was home to the Christians and Islam. Well, Jerusalem was home to the Jews "First." Did you forget that?

I am not attacking you, but, when I think of Jerusalem, I think of "Jew."

~ Lonelypoet

The main reason for your question is that the Israelite as someone said it before, have right to this land because they do business with the west.
The natives American will not do business with the west, every time a Native American of origin was elected in South America you could be sure that the USA and the West was against him.
As I said before it all comes down to “money” and greed, no religion…just simple human greed.
Kacou.

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Here's an interesting read...

en.wikipedia.org...

It's kind of funny that the Muslims were the only ones that allowed the jews back at Jerusalem, the Crusaders did a lovely job slaughtering everyone in it though. It was always the muslims who saught for a peaceful place for jews and muslims. Some real jews will tell you this. But the Zionist are the true pest. But I guess ignorance is above history on this forum.


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What this article show is that the conspirator where European Crusader, not even true native Christian because they killed Christians as well as Muslim and Jew.
As I said this is not a religious conflict it is just a greed conflict.
Kacou.

Originally posted by jam321

They both have as much claim to there home lands so why is it that we speak of there should be a Jewish state for Israelis.

Because the UN partitioned land for Israel, not the Native Indians.

Don't you hardcore anti-Israel guys love the UN?

You nailed it.

Always a one-liner. Never an airliner.

Originally posted by kacou
The main reason for your question is that the Israelite as someone said it before, have right to this land because they do business with the west.
The natives American will not do business with the west, every time a Native American of origin was elected in South America you could be sure that the USA and the West was against him.
As I said before it all comes down to “money” and greed, no religion…just simple human greed.
Kacou.

True True.

After buying diseased blankets and getting screwed royally on that Manhattan deal, i wouldn't do business either.

But a Casino Nation would dominate the western economy. lol

Originally posted by Lonelypoet
Darth Chrisious, I am not a Jew, but you might have offended the Jews by saying that Jerusalem was home to the Christians and Islam. Well, Jerusalem was home to the Jews "First." Did you forget that?

I am not attacking you, but, when I think of Jerusalem, I think of "Jew."

~ Lonelypoet

Who would get offended by something like that? You'd have to be awfully sensitive to be offended by "first". The world has been peopled for over 60K years if not more. "First" can only be speculated upon.

The fact is land is eternal, but people are not. No one really owns land. They live on it for a while.

The Isreal issue is one part religion, another part politically and geographically motivated when it comes to the west political elite, in particular these United states. Folks who outright back Isreal regardless of the situation do it for religous purposes (look back to Canaan in the bible) and they completely forget that not all the world is christian let alone zionist.... infact the majority is not christian and do not share western cultural views.... so theres the selfishness or biasness for the western ignorant...

its as if a bunch of muslims were partitioned by the super powerful middle east to take texas in part because in their book it claims texas to be the chosen land for them let along a haven for their opressed peoples... so they come in and eventually take over the population majority and begin resettling american folks in little counties away from integration... imagine how you would feel, as an american.... Then rebellion breaks out from americans to claim their land back, they continously fire rockets killing the shiiat muslim majority of texas and as a defense the muslims fire back and so it goes on... attempts to create a peace between the two always falls short for the leaders of either side.. meanwhile the conservative arabs of the all powerful sunni middle east completely forget this fact and back the shaiite texan nation outright, in part because it says in their book its their land and they completely forget that the majority of america is christian and believe otherwise....

Its exactly what a described above... the elections of 08' especially when focused on the republicans and their religious emotional majority made me seriously cringe.. the ignorance of these folks over the middle eastern issue, and their blind support for one side not having mercy on the others, contradicting the very book they claim to stand for, the book a mercy, the book of ones respect for all their neighbours... not they only stand behind isreal... and not one candidate could make it out their without backing isreal.. and sadly Obama was one of em... I support the guy and understand why he had to act as though he firmly supported them.. but yes it just makes me cringe..

why the boner for isreal? Seriously get a reality check... the world doesnt revolve around the conservative view of christianity.

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double post.
Sorry

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You forgot one. The Israelis have owned that land for the last 60 years. For most of their people, its the only home they have ever known. It would be just as unfair to dislodge them now as it was to dislodge the Palestinians in the late 40s.

At this point, what's done is done. Both sides have legitimate claims and there are no easy answers to the situation.

the Palestinians held that land prior to the Isrealis for centuries... there has been a lack of cooperation from both sides to live in peace with one another. It goes both ways.