Possible truth about 9/11 and the war in Iraq?, page 1

I applaud Dr. Greer on his "mission" to get the gov to disclose UFO secrets and suppressed technology. However, he will hardly be successful; but I'll give him an "A" for effort. There is just too much at stake for the powers that be to so easily submit to the demands of a feeble "disclosure project." They'll never succumb to it willingly or without a good fight. More likely, this fight will mean an escalation of the gov's disinformation campaign, expansion of surveillance, and tighter measures and laws restricting basic freedoms; not to mention more threats, assassinations, bribes, and what not. The smoking gun information we seek will have to be forcefully pryed from the gov's hands; or it will come about through some kind of national or even global crisis. The US gov is not lacking in efficiency, like so many sheeple would like to believe. It was deliberately designed this way. Voting, the "separation of power," political representation, and political parties are shrewd methods at ensuring that the citizens will most likely resort to working within a very limited system when attempting to make meaningful changes. Only with this design can the true powers that be (financiers/banking families) continue their agenda with impunity, and without notice or interference. All the while, the President (puppet/figure head) and his cabinet, as well as Congressmen, will take all the rap when problems arise. Do you really think Bush has the intelligence or even the connections to pull off 9/11? Of course not. He's the epitome of the Yes-Man, and is only more than willing to take orders (and being well rewarded for his loyalty and obedience). Remember the fate of Lincoln and JFK who chose not to be as obedient as the powers that be had anticipated.

Dr. Greer also seems to lack an understanding of the true purposes and agenda underlying the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq (and soon to be the entire central asian region). He sees only the quest for oil, and also believes this "war on terrorism" is real. Dr. Greer should read the book entitled, "The Grand Chess Board" by Zbigniew Brzezinski. The book, written in 1997, establishes the primacy of US control over Central Asia (Eurasia) and outlines a course of action towards achieving this end. For a review of this book by Michael Ruppert (www.copvcia.com), see www.mail-archive.com...@listserv.aol.com/msg110679.html

The Middle East conflict is not about quelling terrorism or removing ruthless dictators. It is not about money or profit (though corporations are used as pons to secure and centralize goods and services). It is not even about oil. It is about control control control---global control, to be exact. Oil, money, puppet dictators, "war on terrorism", and "free-trade agreements" are merely a means (tools) to an end. Oil is perhaps the most (deliberately) important global natural resource because so many nations rely heavily on it. It is also the factor which can make or break a nation's military power. Control over this resource means control over all nations. Central Asia is a strategic hub for transference of oil primarily to the Far East; and this requires a power base that is loyal to the globalists (bankers) in order to secure this otherwise unstable region. Is it any surprise that the new sitting President/puppet of Afghanistan, Hamed Karzai, was a former consultant to pipeline builder, Unocal? To see just how well our "popular" gov officials are linked to big oil and media, see www.kirbymountain.com... and www.montland.ca... (Of course this would also require that all free-energy inventions be suppressed at the same time. Dr. Greer is right about that part.) Here is more about the proposed pipelines in Central Asia - www.whatreallyhappened.com...

And yes! The gov's complicity in the 9/11 attacks is not even debatable anymore. It was without a doubt an inside job. Arab muslims were only used as tools to provide a cover story. The arab flight school students probably didn't even know they were being used. I don't know what story they were told, either to just take flight lessons and ask no questions, or more, I don't know. No arabs were on board the four airliners (see the passenger manifests for each flight), 9 of the alleged "hijackers" are still alive, and not a single one of them had the training or skills necessary to effectively pilot the 757's anyway. Plus, they trained at a flight school in Venice, Florida called Air Florida. Air Florida was run by a shady dutch man who was going broke, but suddenly came upon a windfall of money (millions). Suddenly he could buy a whole fleet of new aircraft, and even start an air charter business to boot. And not long after that the arabs came knocking on the door for flight lessons. Why didn't these arabs choose this school? Why not the other flight schools which had a high arab-muslim student and instructor body? Now we know that Air Florida was a CIA funded front, and only shady people can be trusted to run such operations. I could cite many more smoking gun facts about 9/11, but there is plenty of information on the web (and in this forum) to keep any truth seeker quite busy. For motives behind 9/11, see www.fromthewilderness.com...

Originally posted by slugfast
I always come back to HAARP, and if it is so defense orientated, why not use it to kill others rather than send troops for foreign nations?

Because without an occupying force, one cannot construct the kind of governing force and infrastructure, as well as the stability and security one needs to fulfill one's agenda. War involves great violence and killing, but it is not about killing. Killing is only a means to an end. And that end is control over natural resources and people (labor). If the weaker nations would simply surrender their land and loyalty over to the stronger nation, there'd be no war. But things are not that simple.