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In Courtroom Showdown, Bush Demands Amnesty for Spying Telecoms

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posted on Dec, 2 2008 @ 09:32 AM
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In Courtroom Showdown, Bush Demands Amnesty for Spying Telecoms


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SAN FRANCISCO — The Bush administration on Tuesday will try to convince a federal judge to let stand a law granting retroactive legal immunity to the nation's telecoms, which are accused of transmitting Americans' private communications to the National Security Agency without warrants.

At issue in the high-stakes showdown — set to begin at 10:00 a.m. PST — are the nearly four dozen lawsuits filed by civil liberties groups and class action attorneys against AT&T, Verizon, MCI, Sprint and other carriers who allegedly cooperated with the Bush administration's domestic surveillance program in the years following the Sept. 11 terror attacks. The lawsuits claim the cooperation violated federal wiretapping laws and the Constitution.

In July, as part of a wider domestic spying bill, Congress voted to kill the lawsuits and grant retroactive amnesty to any phone companies that helped with the surveillance; President-elect Barack Obama was among those who voted for the law in the Senate. On Tuesday, lawyers with the Electronic Frontier Foundation are set to urge the federal judge overseeing those lawsuits to reject immunity as unconstitutional. At stake, they say, is the very principle of the rule of law in America.

"I think it does set a very frightening precedent that it's okay for people to break the law because they can just have Congress bail them out later," says EFF legal director Cindy Cohn. "It's very troubling."
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posted on Dec, 2 2008 @ 09:32 AM
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The court will address 'the 11 questions'


1. Given the extensive information about the telecommunications carriers’ cooperation with the government in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks that is publicly known and acknowledged by the government, how is the national security harmed if this cooperation is certified on the public record?

2. What exactly has Congress created with § 802 (in Pub L No 110-261, 122 Stat 2467, tit II, § 201 (2008))? It does not appear to be an affirmative defense but rather appears to be a retroactive immunity for completed acts that allegedly violated constitutional rights, but one that can only be activated by the executive branch. Is there any precedent for this type of enactment that is analogous in all of these respects: retroactivity; immunity for constitutional violations; and delegation of broad discretion to the executive branch to determine whether to invoke the provision?

3. Is due process not compromised by the lack of an open adversarial process? How can national security concerns warrant such a compromise here? What is the harm in disclosing past cooperation in connection with adjudicating immunity for that past cooperation?

4. If the Attorney General certifies that a defendant in a suit for assistance to an element of the intelligence community did not provide such assistance and the person did not in fact do so, how are plaintiffs harmed by a dismissal based on the Attorney General’s certification?

5. How does the Attorney General show by substantial evidence that a person did not provide assistance and is entitled to relief under section 802(a)(5)? Of what would such substantial evidence consist?

6. Some of the parties describe section 802 as providing immunity. How can that characterization be reconciled with section 802(a)(5) which provides for dismissal of an action even in the case of a person who did not provide assistance to an element of the intelligence community?

7. To the extent that section 802(a)(5) requires dismissal of an action against a person who did not provide assistance if the Attorney General submits a certification under that provision, is the Act simply one that provides the Attorney General unlimited discretion? Inasmuch as the Attorney General can provide immunity under section 802(a)(5) to a person who did not provide assistance, is not his authority under the FISA amendments essentially boundless?

8. Inasmuch as the plaintiffs have a claim against the government for allegedly unlawful surveillance even after enactment of the FISA amendments, are not the claims against the telecommunications carriers displaced by the claims against the government?

9. In making the certification called for by section 802(a)(5), is the Attorney General performing an adjudicatory function? That is, is he not making a determination that only a court can make?

10. If a person assists the government pursuant to one of the provisions referred to in section 802(a)(1)-(4), but the person’s activities go beyond that authorized (e g, conducting surveillance for a longer period than authorized), how does the Attorney General make his certification under this section? under this scenario, is there not a danger that the Attorney General’s certification could hide the unauthorized conduct? What is the district court’s function in such a case?

11. What facts must be determined by the court under the substantial evidence standard in section 802(a)(4)? How does the substantial evidence standard compare to the showing required under 50 USC § 1804 to obtain an electronic surveillance order from the FISC? Should the court assume that it is about the same?


This is a severely direct assault on the legislatures' reasoning behind 'going along to get along'.

I would opine further, but it could only detract from the importance of the item.

Retroactive immunity is the key.



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[edit on 2-12-2008 by Maxmars]



 
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