This is why I love ats, there are always people willing to back people up who think 9/11 was a deliberate action with ties inside the United States, be it parts of the government or whatever. I myself believe there had to have been some black ops to help with the whole 9/11 deal. It was probably a private contract that someone paid (use your imagination here), something like blackwater or maybe even jackals.

There is so much evidence against the official report. I wish the people who believe the actual official report would at least acknowledge that pancake collapses don’t speed up they slow down.

Oh here is a 12.

12. Why did the pancake collapse speed up when most of the upper part of the buildings seemingly disintegrated to dust?

Come on people, some of these 9/11 truther shinanigans are undeniable.

Truth out.

jtthomas makes me sick. He is one of those debunkers who just says "That's been debunked!" without providing ANY evidence either than sending us on wild link changes. What a fraud this jthomas is.

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1. The Pentagon, the most well-defended military building in the world, was somehow hit by what we are told was an airliner 30 minutes after everyone knew that "America was under attack". How did they fail this badly?

2. Despite the fact that an airport was four miles away and that his location was publicized, the secret service did not evacuate the school after 9:03, when everyone knew "America was under attack". Instead, they stayed until 9:30. Why did the secret service fail to follow standard operating procedure?

3. Up to 9 training exercises that involved airborne hijackings, terrorist attacks, and airplanes crashing into buildings just happened to be running on 9-11. Was this just a bizarre coincidence?

4. Hundreds of eyewitnesses reported explosions inside the Towers after the supposed 'airplane' hits. Eyewitnesses report explosions on the lower floors before the first 'plane' hit. What caused these blasts?

5. Building 7, a building across the street from the World Trade Center that contained DOD/CIA/Secret-Service offices and files relating to a number of corporate scandals, fell straight down, in under 7 seconds into it's own footprint, producing large clouds of concrete pulverized into fine dust from it's base. This happens after the collapse is reported by both CNN and BBC before it happened. It looked like a textbook controlled demolition and explosions were reported to have occurred inside the building both before and during it's collapse. The 911 Commission report omitted it's collapse completely.. as if it did not exist. What about Building 7?

6. It's clear to anyone with eyes that the Shanksville/Pentagon 'crash scenes' both contain no jetliner. Where are the wings, tail, engines, and fuselage? Why are the only parts that are left small, unidentifiable scraps of metal? A Boeing 757 did not crash into the Pentagon and a Boeing 757 did not crash in Shanksville.

7. How is it possible for a hollow aluminum plane with a plastic composite nose and with a fuselage that can be penetrated by a bird to pierce through a steel building without slowing, breaking, or crumpling?

8. The Twin Towers were pulverized into fine dust from the top-down. There is video evidence showing the steel core spontaneously turning into dust. The damage to WTC6 is a huge, deep hole, yet there is no chunks of building lying inside it. A fire truck shows it's ladder wilting like a dead plant. How could planes cause this unconventional damage?

9. How could Hani Hanjour, who was described as a terrible pilot by his instructors, pull off a 330 degree turn before flying inches above the grass at 530 mph with a jetliner to crash smack in the middle of a low-altitude target?

10. Why did the White House want to 'limit' the investigation? Why did they oppose it at first and why did they give it so little money?

11. Why do we never hear about the fact that in the summer before 9-11, the military conducted a number of drills that were eerily similar to 9-11? One of them, Operation Dark Winter, simulated a terrorist attack involving 'scripted news reports' that would be blamed on Iraq and terrorist groups in Afghanistan.

9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB.

why were there nasa footographs that show the tempertures at WTC reached the hottest weekes after 9/11, not to mention the fires were not fully put out until december. fire fighters on record saying when they were pulling steel out they could see molting metal driping down like a foundry. and finally proffessor steven jones and others have found evidence of thermate "military grade explosives" residue and sulfidation all over steel from WTC and in dust samples.
one last thing global poles show no one belives anything close to the "Official Fantasy". some where around 50%

why were there nasa footographs that show the tempertures at WTC reached the hottest weekes after 9/11, not to mention the fires were not fully put out until december. fire fighters on record saying when they were pulling steel out they could see molting metal driping down like a foundry. and finally proffessor steven jones and others have found evidence of thermate "military grade explosives" residue and sulfidation all over steel from WTC and in dust samples.
one last thing global poles show no one belives anything close to the "Official Fantasy". some where around 50%

1. If all it takes is a little jetfuel randomly poured near the top of a steel frame skyscraper to drop that building into it's own footprint, why are millions spent for demolition companies to professionally do this?
And keep in mind a perfect demolition of a building into it's own footprint requires such skill that only a handful of demolition companies in the world will attempt it.

2. Where did the EPA samples of 1.3 Diphenylpropane come from?

One molecule, described by the EPA's Erik Swartz, was present at levels "that dwarfed all others": 1,3-diphenylpropane. "We've never observed it in any sampling we've ever done," Swartz said. He said it was most likely produced by the plastic of tens of thousands of burning computers.

If the 1.3 DPP was due to burning computers, why was it not reviously observed “in any sampling we’ve ever done”?
For those who do not know, ultrafine aluminum and iron oxide are held in a 'sol-gel' matrix to form an explosive form of thermite used as 'cutter charges' and 1.3 DPP is present in 'sol-gels'

3. If the metal did not melt, how would one explain the iron-rich microspheres with the same chemical signature as commercial thermite present in them?

Dr. Frank Gayle, NIST Metallurgy Expert: "Your gut reaction would be the jet fuel is what made the fire so very intense, a lot of people figured that's what melted the steel. Indeed it didn't, the steel did not melt."

4. Where did the "red chips" of a compound that behaves like unreacted thermite come from if no thermite was used?

5. Why was the testimony of William Rodriguez not included in the 9/11 Commission Report?

6. If we are being told the truth, why wouldn't the pentagon release all the video of what it claims is a 757 hitting the pentagon, rather than 5 frames that show anything but a 757 hitting it? If they aren't lying, why not just show us their proof?

7. If the towers were brought down by planes hitting the upper portion of the towers, why are there videos where you can hear secondary explosions at ground level, and eyewitness testimony stating this as well?

8. Why has no steel structure building ever collapsed due to fire before or after 9/11, yet on 9/11 three buildings supposedly did just this? Buildings have had raging infernos for over 24 hours and not collapsed, a plane hit the empire state building and it did not collapse.

9. Why were the Bin Laden family the only ones allowed to leave the U.S. after the attacks?

10. If 15 of the 19 supposed hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, why did we go to Afghanistan and then Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia?

11. Why would Osama Bin Laden say

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons,"

and then come out in a video wearing jewelery (against his islamic beliefs) and eating with the wrong hand, to claim responsibility for the attacks? (trick question, the video has been proven fake.)

12. Why would Bush claim that Osama Bin Laden was the "prime suspect" in a September 17, 2001 CNN report, when the FBI says they have “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11”?

13. How was WTC 7 rigged to be "pulled" (as Larry Silverstein said) in hours, when normally it takes months to prep a building under normal circumstances? And why does NIST say it collapsed due to fire when we have video of Silverstein himself saying they decided to "pull it"?

14. How did WTC 1, 2, and 7 all break the laws of physics?
Just one example: Laws of Conservation of Energy and Momentum.

15. Why did the 911 Commission only analyze floors 8-46 of WTC 7?

16. When NIST reconstructed floor sections of the towers, why couldn't they get them to collapse under laboratory conditions?

17. How could the steel in the towers be weakened to the point of collapse from a fire that NIST says never exceeded 1000 degrees, when the steel used for the buildings was certified by underwriters laboratories for temperatures of 2000 degrees for 6 hours?

18. Why did NIST stop it's computer simulations at the point where the tower is "poised to collapse"?

19. Why won't NIST release it's computer simulation software for peer revue?

20. How can you explain the plumes of dust and debris or "squibs" far below the region of the building that is "collapsing"?

21. Why was all the evidence removed from the scene of the largest terrorist attack in the history of mankind, before anyone could investigate it? Why was it shipped to India and China rather than being stored somewhere for examination? And why wasn't FEMA's Building Assessment Performance Team even allowed access to Ground Zero?

22. Why were towers that were designed to survive the impact and fire from a collision by a 707-340 carrying 23,000 gallons of fuel, completely destroyed by similar- sized 767-200s that hit the towers each carrying about 10,000 gallons of fuel?

23. If the scientific method dictates that one would draw conclusions from facts that had been found, why did the 911 Commission look for facts to support the conslusion that it had already come to, and then call this science?

24. If NIST has said in it's own words,

We are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse.

Why should we take anything they say as proof of anything but their own lies and/or incompetence?

25. If Bush has admitted to lying to the White House press corps, (and he has) why should we believe anything he says?

You asked for 11, I could do this all day...
Any story with this many holes in it could be picked apart by a half-asleep 5 year old...

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Originally posted by thefreepatriot
...how about the initial reports of police finding explosives inside the building...??? ummmm what happened to those reports?

They are probably stacked in a neat little pile, right next to the 80+ video tapes of the pentagon that don't show a 757 hitting it.

You know... on the other side of the pile of debris from shanksville, o yeah thats right there wasn't anything left, the earth just opened up and swallowed all the evidence.
I guess when we finally bring charges against the real perpetrators of 9/11, we'll have to subpoena all the hollow earth residents and make them provide the debris they are obviously withholding from us.
Those subterranean S.O.B.'s!

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Originally posted by ashamedamerican
1. If all it takes is a little jetfuel randomly poured near the top of a steel frame skyscraper to drop that building into it's own footprint, why are millions spent for demolition companies to professionally do this?
And keep in mind a perfect demolition of a building into it's own footprint requires such skill that only a handful of demolition companies in the world will attempt it.

Why is your question not very truthful.

a little jet fuel?

10 thousand gallons is a little? An estimated 15% was ignited with the initial fireball.

in it's own footprint?

80% of the tower collapsed outside it's own footprint.

Originally posted by LordCarpainter
jtthomas makes me sick. He is one of those debunkers who just says "That's been debunked!" without providing ANY evidence either than sending us on wild link changes. What a fraud this jthomas is.

Of course the truth makes you sick. Why else do you repeatedly post nonsense debunked up to seven years ago? Are we supposed to hold your hand? Aren't you capable of learning?

And you wonder why we laugh at you nutters?

Originally posted by ashamedamerican
9. Why were the Bin Laden family the only ones allowed to leave the U.S. after the attacks?

Yet another false statement. The were allowed to leave the country on September 20th. Almost a week after the ban on flying was lifted.

10. If 15 of the 19 supposed hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, why did we go to Afghanistan and then Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia?

Please read up on the 19 hijackers. They were all trained in Afghanistan. If I went to Russia and was trained as a terrorist then flew to Japan and killed a thousand people, should Japan attack the United States?

17. How could the steel in the towers be weakened to the point of collapse from a fire that NIST says never exceeded 1000 degrees, when the steel used for the buildings was certified by underwriters laboratories for temperatures of 2000 degrees for 6 hours?

UL certifies steel?

Originally posted by foremanator

How could it? They've been addressed, debunked, and shown to be invalid.

Tell us, why do you insist on always ignoring answers? It truly boggles the mind that after seven years Truthers spew the same old nonsense.

Because those questions were never answered. And the answers that were given did not fit the facts.

FALSE. They have been answered and debunked repeatedly. Just because Truthers do not like the answers and find them inconvenient, does not change the fact that they have been addressed and debunked.

It is the nature of all you 9/11 Deniers to pretend evidence you do not like to not exist. Why do you think you are known as 9/11 Deniers?

The plane completely disappearing at the Pentagon is what really bothers me. The denyers say the plane was completely smashed to atoms because of the reinforced steel and concrete beams which grated the plane into mere nothingness. However, if that was the case what is it that carries on through the three outer circles of the Pentagon and ends by smashing a 16ft wide hole in the wall? You simply can't have it both ways?
Either the plane and it's passengers where totally destroyed by the reinforced beams and the projectile which carried on through the buildings outer rings is a total mystery or the plane wasn't completely destroyed hence their should be evidence of its existence. . .

posted by Mintwithahole.
The plane completely disappearing at the Pentagon is what really bothers me. The denyers say the plane was completely smashed to atoms because of the reinforced steel and concrete beams which grated the plane into mere nothingness. However, if that was the case what is it that carries on through the three outer circles of the Pentagon and ends by smashing a 16ft wide hole in the wall? You simply can't have it both ways?
Either the plane and it's passengers where totally destroyed by the reinforced beams and the projectile which carried on through the buildings outer rings is a total mystery or the plane wasn't completely destroyed hence their should be evidence of its existence. . .

Ahh but the 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY faithful believers can have it both ways. In fact they insist on having it both ways. They insist on arguing one challenged point at a time; ignoring every other contradiction and improbability and outright impossibility as if it does not exist. They are the ultimate in hypocrites.


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