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When a person assumes the role of class clown, abdicating every principle of reasoned communication, there's something fitting in the kind of treatment that this video gives to Phil Plait and his ilk
Originally posted by daz__
The amount of times people quote Bad Astromomy as their sources a site I incidently have no respect for since I read an article on their site where they quite freely ran down a scientist I have a lot of respect for.
I have never gone there since and I will never return there.. I take the lack of flames on this thread as an affirmation of bad astromomy's terrible manners.
I can't say anything about their science as I would not trust them to tell me the time of day..
Originally posted by ngchunter
Originally posted by daz__
a site I incidently have no respect for since I read an article on their site where they quite freely ran down a scientist I have a lot of respect for.
If they backed up their arguments with facts, then there's no reason for you to get upset aside from emotional attachment.
I have never gone there since and I will never return there.. I take the lack of flames on this thread as an affirmation of bad astromomy's terrible manners.
I wouldn't normally comment on a thread like this because I have no desire to get into a flame war against ATS rules. Flame baiting is also against ATS rules I believe. Therefore, don't take the lack of posting as an affirmation. If this threatens to turn into a flame war I'll stop posting, but don't take that as affirmation either.
I can't say anything about their science as I would not trust them to tell me the time of day..
Since the science content is the meat of the site and discussions there, what you're effectively saying is that you're not in a position to say anything about them, let alone automatically dismiss people for referring to them.
[edit on 26-5-2009 by ngchunter]
Originally posted by daz__
I just assumed that with the amount of people that quote bad astromomy that there would have been more people jump to their defense.
In my opinion there is no information there on the site that can't be found anywhere else on line so I don't feel like I am missing so much.
Mayby I am wrong and there is much that I am missing but I have never had cause since to go back and find out..
Originally posted by ngchunter
Originally posted by daz__
Fair enough, but that's no reason to automatically dismiss those who do choose to use that site.
[edit on 26-5-2009 by ngchunter]
Originally posted by daz__
from what I have read even Maxwell didn't manage to grasp the subject totally. Did he not fail to account for magnetic fields in his equations.
Originally posted by squiz
I totally agree Daz, I've corresponded with many ex members who were banned for expressing there views there. And when the BAUT members get cornered with facts that don't conform to the consensus the thread gets locked and or removed.
Originally posted by Essan
Aye, the problem with BAUT is that they make you back up statements with evidence, and answer questions put to you!
You're not even allowed to just make an assertion based on a youtube video and expect everyone to congratulate you for it ..... No wonder some folk don't like it
Originally posted by Devino
I do find it ironic that state-of-the-art laser interferometers, LIGO, are just as successful in not finding gravity waves today...
Originally posted by squiz
Exactly, can we not see the double standards here? Dark matter, dark energy, dark flow
Originally posted by ngchunter
EU isn't the only alternative explanation, and it's easily the most disproven.
MOND is a perfect explanation for galaxy motions without introducing a single speck of dark matter, and if it were expanded to include relativistic effects it might explain all other observations that would otherwise have to introduce exotic matter and energy.
Competing theories of gravitation have already been developed which are independent of this construction. Their only problem is that they conflict with Newton's theory of gravitation......
“Maybe Newton was indeed wrong,” declares Professor Dr. Pavel Kroupa of Bonn University's Argelander-Institut für Astronomie (AIfA). “Although his theory does, in fact, describe the everyday effects of gravity on Earth, things we can see and measure, it is conceivable that we have completely failed to comprehend the actual physics underlying the force of gravity.”
Pretending that EU is the only alternative people can turn to is a scam.