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When will the unaware wake up?

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posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 10:43 PM
Dear Frank Idealist 35 -

I completely understand your frustration. I truly believe I have found the truth, and I go from door to door to talk about what I now know, and to help people "wake" from this fantasy life we are living in. But like some here have already mentioned, many people are not willing to leave their comfort zone, even if deep down they knew something is not right.

It is not up to me to change people's minds, all I can do is present the information as tactfully and respectfully as possible. Sharing what I consider to be "the truth" with other people, makes me a happy person... whether they listen or not.

BTW, I am one of Jehovah's Witness

posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 09:10 AM
reply to post by justamomma

Like I said I'm just making an observation. I think I know myself fairly well. I'm not asleep by any sense of imagination.

reply to post by holywar

That's a very honorable mission that you serve. Do you find the experience rewarding?

posted on Nov, 8 2008 @ 02:41 PM
reply to post by holywar

That's a very honorable mission that you serve. Do you find the experience rewarding?

YES, very much so.... sorry for the late response

posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 04:48 PM
reply to post by Frankidealist35

what are normal people?
people living accoring mainstream, with standard morality?

I guess you just can.t expect awakeness of such people.
life is kind of fight to them and therefore they have to deny it and get involved in fun and games, to make the sadness in their live bearable.

And most people want to remain normal. They just don.t want to awaken, just don.t want to thinkfor themselves, even just don.t want to take the responsibility for their own lives. It scares them. They would rather fight a bear than start thinking and living.

Maybe next live!

posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 05:55 AM
reply to post by Frankidealist35

Interesting topic; I've flagged the thread. But I think you rather blew your own intellectual credibility out of the water with this:

I believe David Icke, is like a modern day George Orwell or Aldeous Huxley.

No, he is not. George Orwell was a great writer and one of the key intellectual figures of the Anglo-Saxon world in the twentieth century. Uneducated people these days know little about him except that he wrote a book called 1984 about totalitarianism, propaganda and censorship. A few are aware of another book named Animal Farm, though they're not quite sure what that one's about*. In fact, Orwell is one of the founders of modern social democracy, the prevailing political philosophy in Europe and much of the rest of the world today; but helping build political systems was just a sideline to him, for his greatness lies in his writing, not in his ideas. Anyone blind to the attractions of Socialism or the evils of imperialism will be vividly enlightened by, respectively, The Road to Wigan Pier and Burmese Days; while the horrors of bourgeois poverty (admittedly of a particularly British kind) are admirably illustrated in Coming up for Air and Keep the Aspidistra Flying. I can recommend them with confidence to anyone who loves books and reading.

As for Aldous Huxley, well, he had an Ickiesque love of the irrational and his philosophy was so much codswallop, but he was far above David Icke in terms of both ability and influence. And of course he was a fine comic writer. People who blow Brave New World up into some fearful techno-tyrannical prophecy obviously haven't read the book, which is extremely funny. Most of Huxley's best work was. But Huxley was no Orwell; he was confused, stubborn and ultimately wrong. Still, he's a mind-expanding writer if you read him young enough (ideally at age seventeen or so). I also have a soft spot for him because he had himself injected with a massive hit of psychedelic drugs on his deathbed when he knew the end was imminent. Yet despite such hijinks, it is an insult to Huxley to compare him with a popular charlatan and demagogue like David Icke.

If you have any respect for Icke at all, then you yourself are very far (in my quite irrelevant opinion) from having 'woken up'. Which illustrates perfectly what Byrd was saying.

*For anyone who cares, it was written to expose the central flaw of Socialism, which arises from Lord Acton's famous dictum. This was being exemplified perfectly at the time by Josef Stalin, but Socialist intellectuals in Britain (and elsewhere in Europe) weren't seeing it. Orwell hoped to open their eyes with Animal Farm. And for many, he did.

posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 10:16 AM
reply to post by Frankidealist35

if there is such a thing as absolute knowledge - I personally don't believe that any one individual - let alone group - has that knowledge

I think all we ever have are parts of it - and different parts at different times

and that what may have been "the truth" yesterday has shifted it's form today - and will shift again tomorrow

life changes, circumstances change - truth changes

and, how would we define "wakefulness"?

awareness and unawareness?

it's probably reasonable to assume that I might be very aware - more aware than another - on some subjects - but be blind as a bat in other areas - just not see or understand the reality of someone else or another situation

every religious group - every political group - every PTA - has a sense that what they know is real, sensible - the truth - and that they are aware

but it's not useful, or even realistic to assume that what I see is the "truth" - even if it is the truth for my self

it can be dangerous

we want to feel comfortable in this world - safe

we want things to be decided - so we don't have to think about them any more

constantly reassessing the situation is exhausting - so, maybe just as a matter of survival and being able to function in our day to day lives - we decide we know stuff - and move on

we have beds to make, bills to pay - lives to lead - so - we stop considering - and continue

on the serious matters of our shared existence - we decide as individuals or groups that we "know' something

it's hard work to undo what we know - it's actually easier to attack the ideas we don't believe in than it is to constantly reassess our own point of view

we define ourselves by what we are not as often as we do by what we really are

what I would say, in answer to your question is - we should never be afraid to question - it's necessary

it's when we know things for sure that we're the most likely to make mistakes - and sometimes they're big ones

who's unaware?

we all are

[edit on 11/10/2008 by Spiramirabilis]

posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 10:54 AM
They will not wake up unless they want to wake up.

Perhaps being in ignorance is their self-defense mechanism. Why would they want to know of a truth that will shatter their reality?

It's sad. Truly so.

posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 11:29 AM

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

None of our business,

Depends on what dream a person is having.

A truly awakened being does not complain about another's state of being, but lovingly accepts that, this is where this soul is on his journey.

I love what you said here!- and I completely agree with you .

EveryOne is on a different stage of this journey. It's not looking down or laughing at the "sheeps" but understanding that every soul is different and has its own alarm clock set before birth.

No one will suddenly awake due to someone else trying to impose their *reality* into them. Actually it will create the opposite effect.

Of course, I believe that, when we have the chance, we should talk about our ideas, our "truth"...sharing them with people but always from the equal plane, not viewing them from the top.

posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 05:04 PM
reply to post by Astyanax

To see what is in front of one's nose requires a constant struggle.

interesting - not long after I read your post, and wrote mine - someone sent me a link to a blog with this quote by Orwell in the header

thought it was worth sharing

[edit on 11/10/2008 by Spiramirabilis]

posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 05:20 PM
Let's look at what's keeping us asleep.

TV, Hollywood movies, Sports, Alcohol, Drugs, Fox News, Fashion, Paying the Bills, Money, Work, Health Issues, Political Issues, Cars, Holidays, Birthdays, Weddings, Going to church, Vacations, Gambling, Women, Sex, Listening to other people tell you your crazy, And the list goes on..... and on.... and on.

We have to much stuff to do...

I think it's safe to say that the majority of Americans want to stay in this world, and rightfully so, because what is anybody on ATS doing differently now that you are awake?

I know a few of us have made a few changes, or tried to inform a few extra people... but for the most part... We are all still asleep.

The Sports and Movie industry alone is keeping it that way.

The question shouldn't be When will the unaware wake up? It should be: What are you doing now that you've awakened?

For me...I'm waiting for the moment I see RFID become mandatory... this is the day I choose to fight with my hands, and not with my words... That's about all I can do. That and pray.

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 08:26 AM

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 08:38 AM
reply to post by Doomsday 2029

Just trust me, I know, I have it from the Illuminati, you will be long gone before RFID becomes mandatory. Quit worrying right now.
Can I ask what you live for if women and weddings are on you list of "distractions". Does love not come into it?

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 12:20 PM
reply to post by Doomsday 2029

I think you pinpointed all of the reasons why people aren't awake yet. I agree that a lot of outside influence is keeping people from waking up. I recently "woke up" this summer after I've been out of school and away from society and I started reading books as a hobby. After I began to read books as a hobby I began realizing that there is just so much to the world and I now wish that everyone would be able to see this.

As for what is awake? I don't know if anyone is awake, but, I think there are certain degrees of being awake, certain degrees of awareness. You may not be able to tell who is awake or not but you can definitely tell who is asleep.

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