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posted on Mar, 27 2004 @ 01:39 AM
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It had been a long time since i researched this topic, so i decided to research some more.

One of the things i found is that the wooden figure from Egypt was labaled as a "model airplane" in the exhibit at the Cairo Museum.

The whole theory that this is just a model of a flying fish does not seem to hold ground since scholars in egypt themselves name it as a "model airplane" as it says in the exhibit.

"It was rediscovered by Dr. Khalil Messiha, who studied models made by ancients. The "discovery" was considered so important by the Egyptian government that a special committee of leading scientists was established to study the object.

As a result of their findings, a special exhibit was set up in the center hall of the Cairo museum, with the little model as its centerpiece. It was even labelled as a model airplane."

---Below you will find a link to the site and more information about this figurine as well as information and drawings of vimanas as they are found in the Vedic scriptures.-----

www.world-mysteries.com...

Below another link which corroborates the info and its not a "new age website."

www.kirkleesednet.org.uk...



The ancient Mahabharata, one of the sources on Vimanas, goes on to tell the awesome destructiveness of the war:

"...(the weapon was) a single projectile
charged with all the power of the Universe.
An incandescent column of smoke and flame
As bright as the thousand suns rose in all its splendor...

An iron thunderbolt,
A gigantic messenger of death,
Which reduced to ashes
The entire race of the Vrishnis
And the Andhakas.

... the corpses were so burned
As to be unrecognizable.
The hair and nails fell out;
Pottery broke without apparent cause,
And the birds turned white.

... After a few hours
All foodstuffs were infected...
... to escape from this fire
The soldiers threw themselves in streams
To wash themselves and their equipment..."




posted on Mar, 27 2004 @ 02:20 AM
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Doesn't this give more credence to the possibility that the drawings in Abydos are more than just hierogliphics that have been written more than once and that by coincidence resemble what appear to be ancient machines?

What if we even use the translations that Katherine Griffis-Greenberg who thinks they are just coincidences?

*we clearly see "Who repulses the Nine Bows," which figures in some of the Two-Ladies names of Seti I, replaced by "Who protects Egypt and overthrows the foreign countries,"*

So we have this translation which says "who protects Egypt and overthrows the foreign countries" We also have what seem to be machines that can be used to "protect Egypt" and its just coincidence?

Refer to this link.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The main point most people say this is just a coincidence is that "there is no other proof in egypt of ancient aircraft" and that it is really just a freak coincidence.

But there is more proof that has been corroborated by an Egyptian Phd, and the Egyptian government trusted enough the word of this scientist as well as the panel of scientists they established that they even named the figure as "model airplane" at the Cairo museum.

For me the theory of "this is just a freak coincidence holds no ground anymore." And we also have the Vedic scriptures which also speak of "incredible machines" which were used to wage wars.

Edgar Cayce himself said that the Ancient Egyptians used aircraft and other incredible machines to fight the Atlanteans.

Is it all coincidence?
Could the Atlanteans be "this foreign country" the Egyptians were trying to overthrow and protect Egypt from?

[Edited on 27-3-2004 by Muaddib]

[Edited on 27-3-2004 by Muaddib]



posted on Mar, 27 2004 @ 02:38 AM
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zacharia sitchin also claims the eygyptian gods(from niburu/planet X), who were the creators of the human race(as per the sumerian creation legend), had flying machines. there are many battle exploits and pyramid wars documented in ancient texts according to him.



[Edited on 27-3-2004 by billybob]



posted on Mar, 27 2004 @ 06:37 AM
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Well, you first of all have to believe that time is linear, and that right now we are in the highest point of human civilization. What really has happened is that we have replaced spiritual awareness for dvd players and almost unaffordable health care.



posted on Mar, 27 2004 @ 07:12 AM
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Consider the possibility of Time Travel and you have your answers. I know....what proof do I have? Who needs proof? Doesn't matter how much proof you have there are always people to debunk it. So what makes proof and who?



posted on Mar, 27 2004 @ 08:10 AM
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Get a hold of your self man! People have been making pictures and writing about modern stuff for ages. Take the recent example of Jules Verne. He sent people to the moon and nobodys saying extraterrestrials contacted him. I am also certain that another 3000 yrs from now people will be traveling in space cruisers and they will look back on us and say how did they know. This is exactly what ancient cultures did think about whats coming.



posted on Mar, 27 2004 @ 05:25 PM
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You have to be really naive to think that "human civilization is at its peak now" and that it has never been as advanced or more advanced in many ways as it is now, or that there are no other civilizations in the universe that could be more advanced than we are now.

It is possible that humans have achieved a different form of high civilization in the past and there is proof for this.

There are places all over the world where there are vitrified fortress which has been proven in the discovery channel could not have been done by regular fire. Even building high pyres and repeating the process over and over did not give the same results that are seen in the vitrified forts all over the world.

Some civilizations later on seemed to have used "some" of these vitrified places to built fortresses on, thus making a stronger foundation as is found in Scotland and some other places.

But there are many vitrified places where no forts were built on.

In the Saharan desert we find places where the sand has been crystalized and mysterious globules of glass known as "tektites" were made by seemingly blasts of heat. In many of the places where it is found there are no craters as some people believe that these could have been done by meteorite impacts.

"One of the strangest mysteries of ancient Egypt is that of the great glass sheets that were only discovered in 1932. In December of that year, Patrick Clayton, a surveyor for the Egyptian Geological Survey, was driving among the dunes of the Great Sand Sea near the Saad Plateau in the virtually uninhabited area just north of the southwestern corner of Egypt, when he heard his tyres crunch on something that wasn't sand. It turned out to be large pieces of marvellously clear, yellow-green glass.

In fact, this wasn't just any ordinary glass, but ultra-pure glass that was an astonishing 98 per cent silica. Clayton wasn't the first person to come across this field of glass, as various 'prehistoric' hunters and nomads had obviously also found the now-famous Libyan Desert Glass (LDG). The glass had been used in the past to make knives and sharp-edged tools as well as other objects. A carved scarab of LDG was even found in Tutankhamen's tomb, indicating that the glass was sometimes used for jewellery."

Excerpt from
www.nexusmagazine.com...

We not only find all of this and also higher levels of radiation in these places above normal, but the ancients have texts telling us about these ancient battles.

These vitrified places which in many cases are highly unusually radioactive can be found in parts of india as well as most of the rest of the world.

We have physical evidence and written evidence. Noone can say that the vedic scriptures were changed to illustrate modern technologies because they are "older" than the bible by thousands of years.

It is also amazing to see how in the bible itself when the "Elohim" decided to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah by fire and brimstone and Lot's wife seems to have looked back and stayed behind she was turned to a mount of salt. This is exactly what you find when an atomic bomb is used.


"Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous. A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built. "

Excerpt taken from
www.ycsi.net...

This is another site that has pictures of glass rocks which were found vitrified after nuclear tests in the US and also has pictures of other vitrified glass rocks found in ancient sites.

www.xenophilia.com...

From the Mahabharata we find this.

"...(it was) a single projectile
Charged with all the power of the Universe.
An incandescent column of smoke and flame
As bright as the thousand suns
Rose in all its splendor..."

Evidence is found all over the Earth that humans have advanced in the past in many ways as much as we are now or even more. The level and all the technologies of the past could have been in some way different from what we are now but these ancient scriptures tell us that incredible flying machines were used to wage wars and atomic and other modern bombs seemed to have been discovered and used in the past.

Is it possible that many of these civilizations have been destroyed in the past by these wars? The evidence seems to point to that. Also nature can play a big role in deleting some of these civilizations that seemed to have existed tens of thousands of years ago.



posted on Mar, 27 2004 @ 05:30 PM
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I have 1 question, why would we invent the exact same objects?

What are the chances of "if" a helicopter existed then that thousands of years later we would make one that looks very much like the one in the glyphs?


I've also read that ufos have been changing, well the reports of what people see, no long mainly disc/cigar shaped, but alive, morphing, and possibly organic?



posted on Mar, 27 2004 @ 05:35 PM
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From Vaishnava news.

"Ancient City Found, Irradiated From Atomic Blast

FROM IOA KNOWLEDGE BANK

INDIA, Sep 23 (VNN) — ANCIENT IRRADIATED CITY Rajasthan India

Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous

A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.

For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction. The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region. Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945. "

www.vnn.org...

From India News

"India - nuclear weapons of the past?

A HISTORIAN COMMENTS
Historian Kisari Mohan Ganguli says that Indian sacred writings are full of such descriptions...He says references mention fighting sky chariots and final weapons. An ancient battle is described in the Drona Parva, a section of the Mahabharata. "The passage tells of combat where explosions of final weapons decimate entire armies, causing crowds of warriors with steeds and elephants and weapons to be carried away as if they were dry leaves of trees," says Ganguli."

Excerpt taken from. (scroll down until you find "India- nuclear weapons of the past.)

www.geocities.com...



posted on Mar, 27 2004 @ 05:52 PM
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How is it possible? Well, it is known that Hitler was very interested in the occult and in ancient civilizations, he sent groups of investigators around the world trying to find ancient civilizations and relics. His archeologists could have found texts like the Vedic scriptures which helped them in starting to build advanced aircraft.

The germans in the time of Hitler were developing very advanced technologies, if they would have had 2-5 more years to fully develop this technology probably most of the world would now be under the german flag.

Helicopters and airplanes are aerodynamically perfect for flying, anyone starting to invent machines for flying would use designs similar to what we have now and if the technology advances enough they could look the same or almost the same.

Leonardo Da Vinci had machines that looked like "crude" helicopters and airplanes. The modern day helicopter is based from his concepts.

If you look at the drawings that have been made using the descriptions found in the Vedic scriptures you will see they had many different aircraft design and some of them resemble modern aircraft.

After natural disasters or civilizations destroyed each other in these ancient wars it is possible for men to come up with the same ideas that were used in the past once more.



posted on Mar, 27 2004 @ 10:20 PM
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Guys, the Abydos "helicopter" has been most thoroughly debunked as a Photoshopping job, and the "Sacred Indian Text" has been proven to be false (no such text) and so forth.

If you do a search on ATS, you can find lots of threads where this comes up, we point to the debunking info, and everyone says "oh. Fake. Right!" and then it comes up again.

The bird really is a bird, the Abydos is a Photoshop enhancement that makes a vague resemblance look very real, and the report of the irradiated site is a hoax as is the "sacred text."



posted on Mar, 28 2004 @ 01:08 AM
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The Mahabharata (composed between 300 BC and 300 AD) has the honor of being the
longest epic in world literature, 100,000 2-line stanzas .....

a link to a simple google search on the..."mahabharata", the 'proven' non-existant ancient india sacred text.

and a quote from the 'fake' text referenced in the nexus magazine article...

¥ Various omens appeared among the gods: winds blew, meteors fell in thousands, thunder rolled through a cloudless sky.
¥ There he saw a wheel with a rim as sharp as a razor whirling around the soma... Then taking the soma, he broke the whirling machine...
¥ Drona called Arjuna and said: "Accept from me this irresistible weapon called Brahmasira. But you must promise never to use it against a human foe, for if you did it might destroy the world. If any foe who is not a human attacks you, you may use it against him in battleÉ None but you deserves the celestial weapon that I gave you."

This is a curious statement, as what other kind of foe different from a human might there have been? Are we talking about an interplanetary war?

¥ I shall fight you with a celestial weapon given to me by Drona. He then hurled the blazing weapon...
¥ At last they came to blows, and seizing their maces struck each otherÉthey fell like falling suns.
¥ These huge animals, like mountains struck by Bhima's mace, fell with their heads broken, fell upon the ground like cliffs loosened by thunder.¥ Bhima took him by the arm and dragged him away to an open place where they began to fight like two elephants mad with rage. The dust they raised resembled the smoke of a forest fire; it covered their bodies so that they looked like swaying cliffs wreathed in mist.
¥ Arjuna and Krishna rode to and fro in their chariots on either side of the forest and drove back the creatures which tried to escape. Thousands of animals were burnt, pools and lakes began to boil... The flames even reached Heaven... Indra without loss of time set out for Khandava and covered the sky with masses of clouds; the rain poured down but it was dried in mid-air by the heat.

nice 'debunking', once again.....



[Edited on 28-3-2004 by billybob]



posted on Mar, 28 2004 @ 02:04 AM
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Byrd, with all due respect, you are wrong.

Below I am posting a link to the vedic scriptures. You can read all of it if you want. I am puting some parts of it that speak of the battles between the humans and the celestials.

As for "the bird is a bird" what bird has a vertical tail?
only aircraft have vertical tails.

Two of the links I posted before, about the finding radioactive sites are from Indian news. I really doubt they made that up. You can also see the response from someone that lives in India if you read this post completly.

The Abydos being a photographic hoax...there have been experts inspecting the site and posting their results on the net. It is there, it is not a photographic hoax.

I would have to search the vedic texts again to link to the exact parts that i have posted before. The texts are long, but here is one part.

"The chief of the celestials also, seeing Arjuna in anger, sought to fight with him, and hurled his own fierce weapons, covering the wide expanse of the firmament. Then the winds, making a loud roar and agitating all the oceans, brought together masses of clouds in the sky, charged with torrents of rain. Those masses of clouds began to vomit thunder and terrible flashes of lightning charged with the thunderclap. Then Arjuna possessing a knowledge of means, hurled the excellent weapon called Vayavya with proper mantras to dispel those clouds. With that weapon the energy and force of Indra's thunderbolt and of those clouds were destroyed. And the torrents of rain with which those clouds were charged were all dried up, and the lightning that played amongst them was also destroyed. Within a moment the sky was cleared of dust and darkness, and a delicious, cool breeze began to blow and the disc of the sun resumed its normal state."


"Armed with machines vomiting from their throats (mouths?) iron balls and bullets, and catapults for propelling huge stones, and rockets, they approached to strike Krishna and Partha, their energy and strength increased by wrath. But though they rained a perfect shower of weapons, Vibhatsu, addressing them reproachfully, struck off their heads with his own sharp arrows. That slayer of foes, Krishna, also, endued with great energy, made a great slaughter of the Daitya and the Danava with his discus."

"But Arjuna and Krishna, fearless and invincible in battle, beholding Sakra and the other celestials prepared for fight, calmly waited, bows in hands. Skilled in battle, those heroes in wrath assailed the advancing host of celestials with their own thunderlike arrows. The celestials repeatedly routed by Krishna and Arjuna, at last left the field of battle for fear and sought the protection of Indra. The Munis who were witnessing the battle from the skies, beholding the celestials defeated by Madhava and Arjuna, were filled with wonder. Sakra also repeatedly witnessing their prowess in battle, became exceedingly gratified, and once more rushed to the assault."

You can find those and more in this link.

www.sacred-texts.com...

Now there have been questions made if this is true or not. Down here i am puting a link to an email in response to someone asking if this is true about the findings of radiation in India. A hindu man responded.

i cannot copy and paste the emails for copyright reasons, but I am posting the links.

Here is a link to the question.

www.mail-archive.com...@cs.utah.edu/msg00277.html

Here is the anwser.

www.mail-archive.com...@cs.utah.edu/msg00278.html

here is a list to all the emails.

www.mail-archive.com...@cs.utah.edu/thrd2.html#00277



posted on Mar, 28 2004 @ 04:13 AM
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Here is another Hindu source where the authors readily admits that the Vedic scriptures speak of ancient nuclear wars. If they accept this in India, then the texts "must" exist that tell us about these ancient battles and the incredible technologies that were used.
Remember that these texts are thousands of years old, is impossible they have been tampered with since Sanskrit is still known to the Hindus.

This is from the Online edition of India's National Newspaper.

here is an excerpt.

"Innumerable parapsychological phenomena like this are cited by the authors and Hindu mythology gives them a big hand. The ancient myths speak of flying machines and automatic rifles, don't they? And what is the pestle in the Mausala Parva that destroyed the Vrishni tribe but the ancient brother of Little Boy dropped on Hiroshima and Fat Man dumped on Nagasaki? "... .It was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas. The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognisable. Their hair and nails fell out; pottery broke without any apparent cause, and the birds turned white. After a few hours, all foodstuffs were infected. The thunderbolt was reduced to a fine dust."

www.hindu.com...



posted on Mar, 28 2004 @ 03:49 PM
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Ok sorry if you have already coverd this but I didn't have time to read it all. there are soposedly 7 rooms under the sphynx. A main grand chamber and more smaller chambers. there is soposed to be a passag way that lead's to a libraye of knowleg. The shpynx might actualy be older then we speculat. some people (like my self partialy) beleive that it was built by the people of atlantise long before there civilization fell. It is also beleived that the main room was used for the ceromony of awaking canidates of the "Secret school's" third eye. Most of this has been found by people haveing visions or something about what happend there.



posted on Mar, 28 2004 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by billybob
The Mahabharata (composed between 300 BC and 300 AD) has the honor of being the
longest epic in world literature, 100,000 2-line stanzas .....



Certainly, the Mahabharata exists. The text with the "effects of the 'atomic weapon'" does NOT exist in the Mahabharata.

Though this text certainly appears:


¥ Various omens appeared among the gods: winds blew, meteors fell in thousands, thunder rolled through a cloudless sky.
¥ There he saw a wheel with a rim as sharp as a razor whirling around the soma... Then taking the soma, he broke the whirling machine...


The "radioactive layer in Rajasthan" article comes from one source (the "World Island Review") which is not a magazine/newspaper that currently exists and is the ONLY thing quoted from that... making it a rather suspicious document. There are, however, a LOT of citations showing that there is natural radioactivity there (radioactive oligomicticconglomerates ).
www.mlsu.org/geobotany_biochem/geobotany_index.htm

No part of the area is cordoned off. In fact, they have one nuclear reactor there already. It was the site of an "incident" in 1993: www.animatedsoftware.com/hotwords/memories/memory.htm

Beyond that one report, cited everywhere, there is no other mention of "radioactive ash layer" and so forth. When looking for confirmation of an item, it's usually best to get two different sources, niether of which relies on the other one.

I don't see any. I just see that one article. I see lots of others indicating some natural radioactivity but not at the levels hysterically mentioned in the article. Perhaps you can show some other INDEPENDANT sources that would tend to support that one article?



posted on Mar, 28 2004 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by MuaddibBut there is more proof that has been corroborated by an Egyptian Phd,


Who was, in fact, a professor of anatomy for artists and an airplane enthusiast. Not archaeology:
www.catchpenny.org...

Note that the original story becomes embellished.

On this page referenced above, people actually studied and built the model and it does NOT fly.

Another source who duplicated what many of us found:
kjmatthews.users.btopenworld.com...

There are also problems about the account of the object’s discovery. I have been unable to find a mention of a French archaeologist called Lauret, although there was one called Victor Loret (1859-1946) who was Director of the Egyptian Antiquities Service and who conducted excavations at Saqqara in 1898, where he discovered the tomb of Khuit, a wife of the sixth-dynasty pharaoh Teti. I have found several individuals named Padiamun (the person in whose tomb it was supposedly found), but all seem to have lived during the Third Intermediate Period, up to eight hundred years earlier than this individual.


I don't see any real proof that the object was ever labeled an airplane by the Cairo museum. I checked the science search engine and my university libraries online and there is no mention in journals anywhere (this includes Science and Nature and other scientific journals) of the thing being an airplane.



posted on Mar, 29 2004 @ 01:19 AM
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"as anyone with knowledge of Egyptian Hieroglyphs will tell you"..... could you tell us the extent of your knowledge? As far as I can see (given the consistent shadow relief on the pictures shown) the look the same across the entire relief to me....very hard to fake! and I can see no break in the plaster until you come to the end of the relief were the break is obvious....are you just repeating the academics explanation or have you REALLY looked at that photos.... now having said all that, until I've seen them in situ or until any of us has all is conjecture...but from the evidence of that photo it looks real to me....and they are not hieroglyphics and I may have a limited knowledge of them but I have studied them through the Oriental Institute of Chicago and I can assure you those are not hieroglyphics or determinatives.... and there are many such instances of anomalies in Egyptology that never see the light of day because academics choose not to display them, discuss them or acknowledge them because THEY CAN'T EXPLAIN THEM



posted on Mar, 29 2004 @ 03:23 AM
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(Muaddib) But there is more proof that has been corroborated by an Egyptian Phd,



Who was, in fact, a professor of anatomy for artists and an airplane enthusiast. Not archaeology:
www.catchpenny.org...

Note that the original story becomes embellished.


More often than not there have been cases in the past of reporters "embelleshing" their stories.

BTW, you forgot to mention "and member of the Royal Aeromodellars Club, Egypt, and the Egyptian Aeronautical club"

So you are saying an archeologist would know better about airplane models?
If you really knew something about aircraft, you would probably think otherwise.

At the same time, could that have been a toy used by a child? The head resembling a bird, but the tail resembling that of an aircraft, or fish. It could be possible that while not being the most "perfect" glider, a child could have used it as a toy, just as children in our time have airplane toys, most of which do not trully fly.

But the tail is what gives a mystery to this model. If it was a bird, it shouldn't have a vertical tail, and if it was a fish, why does it seem to resemble a bird on the front?
if the toy was supposed to be of a bird, i am sure the ancient Egyptians had seen enough birds to know that their tails are horizontal.


On this page referenced above, people actually studied and built the model and it does NOT fly.


I read the site where they tried to make it glide, and it did, althou not perfectly.


Another source who duplicated what many of us found:
kjmatthews.users.btopenworld.com...


What many of you found? I saw the previous post of 2003 and there was barely any research done by most members. All i saw was some speculation without looking at the story by the part of some of the members, and you saying you already know that it is a fake. You seemed to have made your mind from the beginning. I have also noted that you often do not even take a look at the links i have posted, because of your responses.


There are also problems about the account of the object’s discovery. I have been unable to find a mention of a French archaeologist called Lauret, although there was one called Victor Loret (1859-1946) who was Director of the Egyptian Antiquities Service and who conducted excavations at Saqqara in 1898, where he discovered the tomb of Khuit, a wife of the sixth-dynasty pharaoh Teti. I have found several individuals named Padiamun (the person in whose tomb it was supposedly found), but all seem to have lived during the Third Intermediate Period, up to eight hundred years earlier than this individual.

I don't see any real proof that the object was ever labeled an airplane by the Cairo museum. I checked the science search engine and my university libraries online and there is no mention in journals anywhere (this includes Science and Nature and other scientific journals) of the thing being an airplane.



You still don't seem to be aware that scientists are agreeing that sudden climate changes have occurred in the past and we seem to be in our way of having another one.

Does your "science search engine and your university online libraries" have this information?

Once again, and before you make any comments, please read the links.

"Abstract
The time span of the past few million years has been punctuated by many rapid climate transitions, most of them on time scales of centuries to decades or even less."

Excerpt taken from.
www.esd.ornl.gov...

"Scientists aren't sure what caused the warming that triggered such collapses in the remote past. (Clearly it wasn't humans and their factories.) But the data from Arctic ice and other sources suggest the atmospheric changes that preceded earlier collapses were dismayingly similar to today's global warming. As the Ice Age began drawing to a close about 13,000 years ago, for example, temperatures in Greenland rose to levels near those of recent decades. Then they abruptly plunged as the conveyor apparently shut down, ushering in the "Younger Dryas" period, a 1,300-year reversion to ice-age conditions. (A dryas is an Arctic flower that flourished in Europe at the time.)"

This is from Fortune, but you have to be a subscriber to see the entire report now.
www.fortune.com...

The full report can be read here, or you can subscribe to fortune and read it there.
www.greenhousenet.org...

[Edited on 29-3-2004 by Muaddib]



posted on Mar, 29 2004 @ 05:41 PM
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Let me post in here more sources as to these "non-existant sacred books" as some people say.

The ancients did not have the same words to describe the things they used. For example a rifle, it is mentioned as

"Armed with machines vomiting from their throats (mouths?) iron balls and bullets..."

Excerpt taken from the non-existant sacred book. (once people become sarcastic and insulting i do the same)

www.sacred-texts.com...


Lets hear it from those people who can still read Sankskrit and who are from india. In one of my previous post, which some people don't seem to have looked at, another Hindu acknowledges that there are weapons that were used to destroy entire races and nations and that seemed to be atomic weapons.

This link is to the question posted by a member of the email list asking Sanskrit scholars if is true that the ancient Vedic texts mention atomic weapons in the past.

www.mail-archive.com...@cs.utah.edu/msg00277.html

This link is to the response.

www.mail-archive.com...@cs.utah.edu/msg00278.html

Here is another email which, for copyright reasons "I can't copy and paste" so if you want to discuss these nonexistant texts, read what some of these people, "who can read Sanskrit and are Indians" have to say.

www.ibiblio.org...


"Mahabharata The Great War and World History"

""In the Mahabharata, the war seemed to have affected the whole world. We don’t find so many references to such of a huge event in other cultures. Why are there no references to a great world event?"

The destruction caused by the war was not only external. The destruction of the war was also in the minds of the people. After those heavy astras were used, in the minds of the people anything subtle, anything delicate, anything perfectional was completely burnt out. It is just like in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, till today you find the children are disabled. How many years has it been? It was only two primitive bombs. They were so gross and physical, but the radioactivity of that is still being seen today.

Then we can understand, according to the descriptions within the Mahabharata, what was the destruction of the Brahmastras used in the war. What was the Agni-astras they were using? What was the power of the wind in the Vayu-astra? It was not only blowing in Kurukshetra, it was blowing all over the planet. What would have happened to the people’s minds because of the diffusion of all these energies?

Everything became lost. Naturally people would not even be able to think that they were serving, or they had been paying tax to the Aryan kings of such and such countries. The whole thing had no meaning any more.

This is known as the "dark period" after the Mahabharata war. Kathacharit-sagara has stories about this dark time. In the Tamil literature also it discusses this period. There was a dark period in between where no one knew what happened. Only the thieves, either through ship or through land, were ruling the world. In Tamil it is known as "kalapirar kalam" which means the time of the unknown kings, unknown rulers. The Tamil literature gives 3,000 years for it."

Excerpts taken from.

www.indiadivine.com...

Here is a small compilation of events as they happen according to the Ramayana.

"In Aranya-Kanda, Viradha, a giant, attacks Rama and Lakshmana in the Dandaka forest. Rama kills him. Thereafter, they pay a visit to the Rishis Sarabhanga, Sutikshna, and Atri. Anasuya, wife of Atri, gives an inspiring discourse on the duties of a wife to Sita. Then they meet Rishi Agastya. Rama receives celestial weapons from him.

They encounter the giantess Surpanakha in the Panchavati forest. She is disfigured by Lakshmana. Lakshmana cuts her nose and ears. Khara and Trisiras (along with fourteen thousand giants), brothers of Surpanakha, are very much enraged. They fight against Rama. They are slain in the battle."

------(In the below part it is said that a bridge was built accross the ocean, and Space images taken by NASA reveal a mysterious ancient bridge in the Palk Strait between India and Sri Lanka. The bridge currently named as Adam´s Bridge is made of chain of shoals, c.18 mi (30 km) long.
Links to this story.
www.newscienceparadigms.com...

www.hinduism.co.za...

In the next link, scroll down until you see the image of Adam's bridge. The bridge connects Sri Lanka with the Indian mainland.

history.nasa.gov... )----------------------------

"In Yuddha-Kanda, Nala (one of the monkey-chiefs) builds a bridge across the ocean by the advice of the ocean. The heroes with a large army of monkeys cross the ocean and reach Lanka. Vibhishana (brother of Ravana) joins them and tells them how to destroy Ravana and his army. Kumbhakarna, Indrajit, and Ravana are killed in battle. During the battle, both the parties of Rama and Ravana use Astras or weapons charged with Mantras. Rama sends an Astra on Ravana's' party. All Rakshasas appear as Rama. They kill one another. Ravana discharges on Rama, Nagastra (arrow that becomes serpents full of poison). The arrows have their mouths like serpents and vomit forth fire all around. The Rama discharges Garudastra. The arrows becomes Garudas and cut off the serpent arrows on all sides. Garudas are the enemies of serpents. Rama uses Brahmastra to kill Ravana. Sita is rescued. Sita's honour is tested in the fire. She comes out more glorious and effulgent than ever. Vibhishana is then crowned as king in Lanka. Sri Rama with his party returns to Ayodhya in the flying car called Pushpaka."

Excerpts taken from.
www.sivanandadlshq.org...

[Edited on 29-3-2004 by Muaddib]

[Edited on 29-3-2004 by Muaddib]





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