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Timewave/Novelty Theory is Unsound

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posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 06:13 PM
Although interesting, the timewave/novelty theory is unsound. It first depends upon the assumption that December 21st, 2012 is the end of times, and that the Mayan calendar is correctly translated into our own calendar.

That the date of this historical endpoint is December 21, 2012, the end of the long count of the Mayan calendar. (Although many interpretations of the "end" of the Mayan calendar exist, partly due to abbreviations made by the Maya when referring to the date, McKenna used the solstice date in 2012, a common interpretation of the calendar among New Age writers, although this date corresponds to such an abbreviation rather than the full date. See Mayan calendar for more information on this controversy.) Originally McKenna had chosen the end of the calendar by looking for a very novel event in recent history, and using this as the beginning of the final 67.29 year cycle; the event he chose was the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, which gave an end-date in mid-November of 2012, but when he discovered the proximity of this date to the end of the current 13-baktun cycle of the Maya calendar, he adjusted the end date to match this point in the calendar.

You can find bad events happening all the time. The dips are just correlations that we see because we naturally look for patterns. It is like seeing shapes and figures in clouds.

posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 06:16 PM
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posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 06:30 PM
Thread not closed.

Novelty Theory does not depend on the Mayan calendar in any way. The end date was corellated with Dec 21, 2012 only after the McKenna did the math. The original Timewave Zero program was set to end prior to that date - it was however pushed forward to then match. Zero point will be reached in the vicinity of Nov. - Dec. of 2012.

Like your Wiki quote above, Novelty theory assumes a major point along the timewave is the atomic blast in Hiroshima - consequently all other points then fall in line.

The theory is sound (however it may not be as precise as McKenna had hoped - meaning precise to the hour and minute). Anyway it is being proven to be worth considering day by day.

Please research it further and look at what the graph is saying for the current time frame. The spike we're currently sitting on top of is hard to miss.

[edit on 29/9/08 by Evasius]

posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 06:42 PM
reply to post by italkyoulisten

I have nothing to gain by supporting the acceptance or rejection of the Novelty Theory, but in view of the fact that one of our own here on ATS observed in July of this year that something significant would happen to the stock market in late September, I would be reluctant to reject the theory outright. Call it coincidence if you like, but the fact is the market tanked by 700+ points TODAY and a fellow who goes by MystikMushroom on this site called it almost to the day using software developed by the late T. McKenna, developer of Novelty Theory. You might want to take a closer look at his thread for verification, eh?

posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 02:47 AM
reply to post by Evasius

You have not described how this theory works logically. He changed the date to fit the 2012 solstice date, which was based upon an assumption that the Mayan long count ends on that date and also brings upon us some sort of "end of the world" scenario in which the novelty goes off the chart. However, that in itself is based upon another assumption, which is that the Mayan long count does indeed end on the 2012 winter solstice, and that the date has been translated correctly to our calendar.

The Mayan calendar, like ours, is cyclical. Just like the way we know the world will not end on midnight december 31st, the world will not end when the long count ends. A new long count will begin. Granted, I believe that the world will ease into a new paradigm due to astrological changes, but the world will not end.

The graph that was created was made to fit in a historical timeline based upon pure assumption.

Explain to me the math behind the "timewave", and also how there can be any observable property to time other than that it passes?

Please research it further and look at what the graph is saying for the current time frame. The spike we're currently sitting on top of is hard to miss.

Correlations don't mean a thing. If you look at a picture of a "timewave" graph, there are so many ups and downs that literally you can interpret it anyway you want.

[edit on 1-10-2008 by italkyoulisten]

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