UFOs - Mexican Air Force

(I’m sure this video has been discussed here before, although I’m yet to see what the debunkers of such footage have to say – is this not the smoking gun?)



05/11/04

MEXICO CITY - Mexican Air Force pilots filmed 11 unidentified flying objects in the skies over southern Campeche state, a Defense Department spokesman confirmed Tuesday.

A videotape made widely available to the news media on Tuesday shows the bright objects, some sharp points of light and others like large headlights, moving rapidly in what appears to be a late-evening sky.

The lights were filmed on March 5 by pilots using infrared equipment. They appeared to be flying at an altitude of about 3,500 meters (11,480 feet), and allegedly surrounded the Air Force jet as it conducted routine anti-drug trafficking vigilance in Campeche. Only three of the objects showed up on the plane's radar.

'Was I afraid? Yes. A little afraid because we were facing something that had never happened before,' said radar operator Lt. German Marin in a taped interview made public Tuesday.

'I couldn't say what it was ... but I think they're completely real,' added Lt. Mario Adrian Vazquez, the infrared equipment operator. Vazquez insisted that there was no way to alter the recorded images.

The plane's captain, Maj. Magdaleno Castanon, said the military jets chased the lights 'and I believe they could feel we were pursuing them.'

When the jets stopped following the objects, they disappeared, he said.

A Defense Department spokesman confirmed Tuesday that the videotape was filmed by members of the Mexican Air Force. The spokesman declined to comment further and spoke on customary condition of anonymity.

The video was first aired on national television Monday night then again at a news conference Tuesday by Jaime Maussan, a Mexican investigator who has dedicated the past 10 years to studying UFOs.

'This is historic news,' Maussan told reporters. 'Hundreds of videos (of UFOs) exist, but none had the backing of the armed forces of any country. ... The armed forces don't perpetuate frauds.'

Maussan said Secretary of Defense Gen. Ricardo Vega Garcia gave him the video on April 22.

[edit on 28-9-2008 by andre18]

i have seen plenty of ufo sightings on tv and even seen some at night. I am ready to see an actual alien or a craft in daylight

My opinion is that this just another ufo sighting considering the fact that mexico is the hot spot for ufos lately, but the video is a great evidence considering the fact that the video was released by the mexican airforce, glad they came out with the sighting.

Originally posted by andre18
(I’m sure this video has been discussed here before, although I’m yet to see what the debunkers of such footage have to say – is this not the smoking gun?)

andre18, if you are specifically interested in what debunkers say, then you could find interesting these articles:
UFO's or simply Oil Well Gas flames?
by Capt. Alejandro Franz

The Mexican Air Force UFO Affair: Aliens, Ball Lightning, or Flares?
by James C. Smith, aerospace engineer in Fairfax, Virginia.

I would like to point out that i'm not convinced by several facets of the explanations provided in the article, i'm just sharing the sources, then you'll decide

Thanks for those links internos, although there are a few problem with those conclusions www.alcione.org...

Only three of the objects showed up on the plane's radar

If they were gas flames why did only 3 show up on radar? Is that not a mystery in itself?

'Was I afraid? Yes. A little afraid because we were facing something that had never happened before,' said radar operator Lt. German Marin in a taped interview made public Tuesday.

The radar operator said he had never had anything like this happen before. If those were gas flames the radar operator would have known the difference. – it’s his job to know.

The plane's captain, Maj. Magdaleno Castanon, said the military jets chased the lights

If these were gas flames they wouldn’t be traveling very fast but the captain said the jets chased the lights – these lights must have been going quite fast if jets were chasing them.

and I believe they could feel we were pursuing them

The captain remarked how he felt the lights were intelligently controlled. And of course it would be arrogant to say a pilot wouldn’t know the difference between a gas flame and something unidentified.

[edit on 28-9-2008 by andre18]

Here we go again. One more time just to clear the disinformation.
The cheap story about those oil wells flames from the ocean was a proven and
confirmed HOAX invented by an old eccentric individual named Alejandro Franz
Navarrete, a paranoid clown who pretends to deny ALL the mexican UFO sightings
since 1991 and I say ALL of them. You make your conclusion.

This ridicule individual has been the joke for all the serious researcher in Mexico
and other countries due to his laughable theories and inventions. His climax was the
mexican Air Force UFO incident and he claimed ALL the Air Force personal including
pilots, crew etc. were dumb, inefficient people and then signaled all the mexican
Department of Defense staff including the Secretary of Defense himself as fools and
hoaxers because they decided to disclose the UFO incident. Need to be more
specific?

Check the analysis that destroyed this charlatan Alejandro Franz hoax once for
all in detail. Here we go again.

www.youtube.com...

Despite the fact this Alejandro Franz hoax has been discussed perhaps 100 times
and proven how his claims are just eccentric inventions there are still some people
that belive his tales and keep promoting his website contributing to spread his
disinformation attempt that does'nt even deserve to be called debunk, it is just
a ridicule hoax. And yet these people don't present the whole picture regarding
this milestone case, just the mexican hoaxer Franz tale. Fine I will keep signaling
these people and the hoaxer over and over again by presenting the real facts that
prove this was a real UFO incident that caused the historical disclosure.

The mexican Air Force case has been presented and discussed all over the world
by the international media and stands as legitimate. Here are just some samples
that demonstrate it's hierarchy.

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You are correct, this case has never been proven as a hoax, there are many in the world like this one, the debunkers and the disinfo agents ignore and confuse the masses in an agenda of ignorance.

People become so jaded that they only believe the "official" sources, I personally find intriguing the way the masses of TV frenzied human beings wont believe in cases such as these, but do believe that the government and the media are doing all they do for their well being...

this is one of the greatest cases of all time, the FLIR camera system isn't that easily fooled...

Yeah, this is one of the most convincing cases which cannot be dismissed out of hand. This footage was captured by the Mexican authorities using state of the art technology. I believe this plane was used for intercepting drugs which were being smuggled.

The footage speaks for it's self. It's amazing. The pilots couldn't actually see the objects with their own eyes. Only the specialised equipment on board the plane could pick up the objects.

This really was a revelation that the Mexican authorities came out and released this information and footage. It's not a case of, if there were objects, it's a case of, what were the objects?

I believe the objects were classified American technology. One can only wonder what technology has been developed over the years.

Still, a very good case with absolutely concrete reliable witnesses and footage.


Here's the original footage with the original commentary.

uk.youtube.com...

[edit on 28uSunday08/27/08 by paul76]

reply to post by andre18


In defense of the flare of the oil rig explanation, I have driven by the Amoco (now BP) refinery in Highland IN. When you drive close, it appears that the flames are following you. When I see the video, it does remind me of that phenomena. However, I would think the pilots are trained to know the difference between a flame and a craft.
The explanation sounds right, but when the objects are chased, it means they are moving and not stationary.
I would put this one in the unknown pile for now.

Well, i've always defended the genuinity of this case, not only bacause of the problems with the oil well flames theory, but also because i refuse to believe that a trained crew could ever mistake something on the ground/sea with something moving, in flight. Not to mention that the explanation did not cover two key points like the FLIR distance coverage limits and the radar return. The OP was interested in some skeptic view and that was one: and i've also pointed out that i wasn't convinced at all by several facet of the theory, that's all

Mexican Air Force Pilots Film 11 UFOs -Ufo evidence

Mexican Department Of Defense Acknowledge UFOs In Mexico-Rense

2004-Mexican Military Video-Ufos about

Mexico pilots release UFO film-BBC News

2004 Mexican UFO incident-WikiPedia

So, in my opinion the incident wasn't explained at all, just posted a skeptic view as by the OP request.

reply to post by internos


Coolness….

Now the point I’m trying to make with this thread is that this event shows how real the alien phenomenon is. I mean the entire reptilian, grey and paledian thing you can completely dismiss as utter nonsense, but this footage actually reveals for the first time that there really is something going on