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Is everything supposed to be polite, politically correct, and non risky? Sure, helping Saddam and Osama was risky and it backfired, but at the time it was in our interest.
Staying at the top requires taking some risks which have benefits but may also cause problems.
Another thing I see is constant complaints about "so many soldiers are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan." So many? In relation to what? And complaints about civilian deaths? I understand that every life is precious - I agree. What I don't understand is complaints about civilian deaths, accidents, and deaths of soldiers when it IS a war. War isn't pretty - no country fights a war with no casualties. Civilians die in war, troops die in war, friendly fire accidents happen, planes crash. In relation to nearly ever major war fought, the Iraqi Freedom has a very small number casualties.
Be very careful on what the government does to get more control over the population; it is the elite groups of the world and the masses of sleeping humans that are at war with each other, and so far, the elite are winning.
I should have explained a little more on what I meant by my paragraph. What I meant was the problems that are created by the governments in order to get a reaction from the masses which then leads to a solution provided by the government. It is basically P-R-S.
Originally posted by American Mad Man
Be very careful on what the government does to get more control over the population; it is the elite groups of the world and the masses of sleeping humans that are at war with each other, and so far, the elite are winning.
By getting rid of Saddam we are giving the Iraqi population MORE ocntrol over their government! Why can't you see that?
For example, how do you know if it was an Alqaeda group who masterminded the terror attacks on the WTC and not the elite Illuminati groups that control the U.S.A.? Where was the multi-billionaire Air Force when those planes were heading for the WTC and the Pentagon? That should be enough cause for suspicion on who really is creating these problems. Who benefited the most from the "terror" attack on the WTC? Was it Osama or was it the Cabal who run the U.S.A?
Where was the multi-billionaire Air Force when those planes were heading for the WTC and the Pentagon? That should be enough cause for suspicion on who really is creating these problems. Who benefited the most from the "terror" attack on the WTC? Was it Osama or was it the Cabal who run the U.S.A?
Originally posted by Cutwolf
Day in and day out on this board I see "Oh, we helped Saddam get into power" or "We helped Bin Laden" and then in the same breath, I see complaining about it because they turned on us.
whose to say the thousands of civilians that died in Iraq and Afganistan are justified for the deaths of 9-11. I feel bad that 9-11 happened, and had several friends who lost love ones, but come on. We invaded Iraq on misinformation, Saddam didn't have WMD. If it was Clinton in office he would have been impeached again.
Originally posted by kramtronix
Originally posted by Cutwolf
Day in and day out on this board I see "Oh, we helped Saddam get into power" or "We helped Bin Laden" and then in the same breath, I see complaining about it because they turned on us.
Simply put, it's just anti-Bushism at work. Don't read too much into it. You'll just drive yourself nuts.
None of the people saying "We put bin Laden and Saddam in power" were saying such things while Clinton was in office. The fact that we armed these knuckleheads was never mentioned in the media or by bleeding heart liberals after the 1993 WTC bombings or while Saddam was stocking up on WMD and kicking out UN inspectors.
So again, let the liberals hate on Bush and don't worry about it.
Put the shoe on the other foot. What if you were Iraqi and had to watch your neighborhood get carpet-bombed and people you KNOW who are innocent getting blown apart or shot up at checkpoints?
Tell me you'd simply lay down your weapons and say "Come on in, we love you and trust you."
If your country was illegally invaded you'd fight just like everyone else, whether they called you a terrorist or a freedom fighter. I know I would. If I have foreign soldiers in MY country telling me what I can and can't do, I could see getting a little frustrated about that. Kill (even accidentally) some of my family and friends and I'm gonna get even more hotheaded. Then have the GALL to tell the world that things are oh so fine and dandy while I wait for my 4 hour daily allotment of electricity and I might start considering resistance.
Now realize that more than half the entire planet identifies more with the Iraqi than they do with the American and you'll start to understand. And watch the BBC, watch CBC Newsworld, watch PBS, watch Al Jazeera. Watch and read every different viewpoint you can before you make sweeping generalizations that have no basis in fact.
People sometimes can't help rooting for the underdog.
Personally, I'd like nothing better than to see all US troops out of Iraq, replaced by UN troops. They're more capable and better equipped to deal with re-building, while the US Army is more equipped to country-breaking.
Originally posted by Cutwolf
I think you're going off topic here, no one said they should lay down arms and not fight. What I'm saying is that its the fact that we're in war and people complain about civilian deaths which is pretty stupid. And the thing is I'm not an iraqi - I live in the most powerful country on earth. I understand that we may have went to war with reasons that were less than admirable, but the fact is, if it benefits the US as a country and keeps it at the top then I don't mind. If it will make oil prices drop, I don't mind. It benefits the US - why do americans complain? It benefits its allies - why do its allies complain? Its war and civilians die - why do people get mad at civilian deaths?
It doesn't make sense to me. Wether you agree with the war or not, the fact is we're at war, and in war civilians die. Complaining about civilian casualties in war is like complaining about getting wet in the rain. Its raining, of course you will get wet.