Not a believer in HAARP but...

I've never really put a lot of stock into the rumors of HAARP but with the recent hurricanes going for major oil centers and New Orleans over and over and over again it's getting a bit wierd. Especially because (Ike?) hit New Orleans 3 years and 3 days after Katrina and hit the portions of the city Katrina missed. With seveal more predicted this season I'm starting to sway on my stance with HAARP.
Any other opinions on this?

Originally posted by Mr Headshot
I've never really put a lot of stock into the rumors of HAARP but with the recent hurricanes going for major oil centers and New Orleans over and over and over again it's getting a bit wierd. Especially because (Ike?) hit New Orleans 3 years and 3 days after Katrina and hit the portions of the city Katrina missed. With seveal more predicted this season I'm starting to sway on my stance with HAARP.
Any other opinions on this?

My thought is that nature has been hitting that same areas since before we were here. So unless HAARP is stoneage, I doubt that there is a correlation between the two. I think all we need to do is decide if there was ever a hurricane in New Orleans before Katrina. YUP!

Well yeah, but they seem so much more frequent and more powerful more often than they ever did when I was younger.

I think since hurricanes are a natural event and you are only talking about an increase in hurricanes which is not abnormal I have no idea on how that could be proof of HAARP creating them or not.

I don't know if HAARP is manipulating the weather, but I do know that you can't base if it's true or not just on this kind of thing alone. And if you make big jumps like this in comparison rather than any actual data you just confuse the issue and give ammunition to debunkers.

Basically, an increase in hurricanes isn't a logical reason to think HAARP must be manipulating the weather. Plus, hurricane season happens every year at the same time, so dates being common aren't unusual.

I just think about it this way: how far advanced do you think technology really is?

To me, and this is purely speculatory, technology is about 100 years advanced. My thoughts are that things are so advanced that hitting the same area with hurricanes over and over is easily feasible. What I can't explain is the lack of any kind of history of repeated hurricanes in that area from a while back (meaning at least 80 years).

IMO if they never wanted a hurricane to hit anywhere ever again, it could be easily done.

You might like to check out this thread and the links in it:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And also read through the Hurricane Ike discussion thread to get an idea of the complexities of hurricane prediction and what makes them 'tick'.

As for HAARP - it may well affect our ionosphere. But hurricanes like all weather are determined by conditions many, many, many miles below in the troposhere.

We've had bad hurricanes as long as I've been in Florida. Opal, Andrew, Ivan, that one back in 1901, ect.

Originally posted by Essan
As for HAARP - it may well affect our ionosphere. But hurricanes like all weather are determined by conditions many, many, many miles below in the troposhere.

Very good point.

I should have worded my post differently, I didn't mean I believe that HAARP is doing this, it was meant to be more of a I think it's a more of a possiblity than I did in the past.

Good points brought up in this thread though.

Controversial Experimental Weather Modification Bill in US Congress


by Rosalind Peterson


Global Research, May 11, 2006



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EXPERIMENTAL WEATHER MODIFICATION BILL FAST TRACKING FOR PASSAGE IN U.S. SENATE & HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES





U.S. Senate Bill 517 and U.S. House Bill 2995, a bill that would allow experimental weather modification by artificial methods and implement a national weather modification policy, does not include agriculture or public oversight, is on the “fast track” to be passed in 2006.



This bill is designed to implement experimental weather modification. The appointed Board of Directors established by this bill does not include any agricultural, water, EPA, or public representatives, and has no provisions for Congressional, State, County, or public oversight of their actions or expenditures.



Weather Modification may adversely impact agricultural crops and water supplies. If the weather is changed in one state, region or county it may have severe consequences in another region, state or county. And who is going to decide the type of weather modification experimentation and who it will benefit or adversely impact?



This experimental weather modification bill will impact residents across the United States not just in California. Many current and ongoing weather modification programs (80 listed by NOAA in 2005), including the one in Wyoming that is designed to increase the snowpack, may be diverting rainwater away from Oklahoma and Texas, two states that are currently fighting fires caused by a lack of rainfall. We have no idea what the unintended consequences of the Wyoming action or other experimental weather modification programs might be now or in the future.



In addition to the experimental weather modification programs listed by NOAA, there are both private and ongoing government sponsored atmospheric testing and heating programs underway in Alaska and across the United States. Alaska Senator Stevens recently received $50 million in funding for Alaska’s atmospheric heating program.



All of these unregulated, private, government, and public weather modification programs, may also have unintended synergistic effects. Senate Bill 517 does not address these issues but intends to implement more experimental weather modification programs without a national debate or public oversight.



Artificial weather modification can impact all of us by reducing water supplies, changing agricultural crop production cycles, reducing crop production, and water availability. Since most experimental weather modification programs use chemicals released into the atmosphere the public could be subjected increasingly toxic or unknown substances that could adversely impact agricultural crops and trees.



Trimethyl Aluminum (TMA) and barium are just two of the toxic chemicals used in recent atmospheric heating and testing programs according to NASA. The Alaska H.A.A.R.P. atmospheric heating program may have the capability of changing the Jet Stream which could also change our weather.



Many private weather modification companies admit that precipitation effects may be positive or negative. Fog dispersal programs, using dry ice, liquid nitrogen, liquid propane or silver iodide may improve visibility while adversely impacting Redwood Trees along the California coast by depriving them of needed water they derive from the fog.

The increasing use of varied chemicals like aluminum (coupled with increasing air pollution), can severely impact tree health by depriving trees of water and nutrients normally absorbed through their root systems.

The December 2005 Popular Science Magazine discussed a plan to use an oil slick to stop hurricanes without noting the adverse environmental impacts of the oil used to cover the ocean.



Popular Science also noted that a private company, Dyn-O-Mat, plans to purchase jets to drop thousands of pounds of a water absorbing chemical powder (unknown substance), into hurricanes to absorb moisture that may dissipate hurricanes. There is no agriculture oversight or public hearings to determine the consequences of this and other actions or to monitor or prevent adverse impacts of this chemical once it falls on the surface of the ocean or on land.



Alaska and other areas across the United States are beginning to feel the impacts of climate change. Enormous changes are being seen in the declining health of native plant and tree communities in many areas across the United States.



NASA noted in an October 2005 newsletter that increasingly persistent contrails are “…trapping warmth in the atmosphere and exacerbating global warming…” NASA goes on to note that: “…Any increase in global cloud cover will contribute to long-term changes in Earth’s climate. Likewise, any change in Earth’s climate may have effects on natural resources…”



Global dimming and the persistent contrails, that produce man-made clouds, may have serious impacts on crop production. A recent corn crop study in Illinois shows that cloud cover reduces corn crop production while direct sunlight increases production. In addition, increasing man-made clouds may reduce the effectiveness of solar panels.



Gil Smolin, an Avian Bird Flu expert, noted on the Ron Owens Show on KGO Radio (January 5, 2006), that the flu was spread more quickly in the winter when there was a “lack of sunlight”. Would man-made clouds be contributing to the lack of sunlight which might cause the Avian Bird flu to spread more quickly at other times of the year? Experimental weather modification programs could also exacerbate this problem by changing climate patterns, increasing man-made cloud cover, and changing our weather and climate patterns.



Senate Bill 517 does not address any of these important issues. Its sole purpose is to establish an experimental weather modification policy without any agriculture or public oversight of private, military, and government programs. Without oversight or public hearings agriculture, our natural resources, and watersheds may be negatively impacted. And who will be responsible to determine the synergistic effects of these programs or pay for unintended disasters created by this experimentation. If these programs change growing seasons and interrupt the pollination process crop losses could be substantial exacerbating economic losses.



Please contact all of your elected local, state and federal officials to stop this bill in its present form. This bill needs to have appropriate agriculture and public oversight, with public hearings included, prior to any more experimental projects. We need a national dialogue on this subject before more experimentation takes place.



For more information please contact:



Rosalind Peterson

Post Office Box 499

Redwood Valley, California 95470

(707) 485-7520

E-Mail: [email protected]



In 1995, she became a certified U.S.D.A. Farm Service Agency Crop Loss Adjustor working in more than ten counties throughout California. Many crop losses throughout the State can be attributed to weather related causes.



Rosalind has a BA degree from Sonoma State University in Environmental Studies & Planning (ENSP), with emphasis on agriculture and crop production.



Rosalind Peterson was born and raised on a working farm in Redwood Valley, California. The weather was the foremost factor in determining whether or not our tree crops produced fruit and nuts.



Between 1989 and 1993 Rosalind worked as an Agricultural Technologist for the Mendocino County Department of Agriculture. After leaving Mendocino County she took a position with the USDA Farm Service Agency as a Program Assistant in Mendocino, Sonoma, and the Salinas County Offices.


The first successful protest rally against U.S. Senate Bill 517 was held in Los Angeles, California on March 23, 2006.

To answer this question we must use another question.

Does such weather modifying technology exist in the world today?

Anwer: Yes, it does. Look up Nikola Teslas electromagnetic energy beam. The US took hold of this and still has this.

If the US has Tesla's beam would they use it?

Answer: Indefinitely. The US has been using advancted tehcnologies on humans for centuries.

Conclusions: HAARP is a weather modifying technology that is creating these hurricane we are witnessing.

Simple logic.

It's a bit of a leap to say for sure that's what's causing it. But we DO know that these technologies at least to some extent do exist. This year at the olympics China shot rockets into clouds to stop it from raining. These rockets contained some kind of chemicals which deterred the rain.
www.usatoday.com...

If the USA has a way to modify hurricanes and direct them, I'd feel real sorry for Cuba and Venezuela. Especially right now, the little dictator in Venezuela is yanking our chain pretty hard.

Hurricanes are natural events, as are earthquakes and everything else blamed on HAARP. I do know something or two about HAARP, but weather isn't part of it.

Originally posted by Essan
You might like to check out this thread and the links in it:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And also read through the Hurricane Ike discussion thread to get an idea of the complexities of hurricane prediction and what makes them 'tick'.

As for HAARP - it may well affect our ionosphere. But hurricanes like all weather are determined by conditions many, many, many miles below in the troposhere.

thats one of the capabilities of haarp,to pull down sections/current from the ionosphere to lower altitudes.

you know tesla managed to pull down current from the ionosphere to earth about 90 years ago!.
it was essentially free energy,but as usual somone namely the founders of jp morgan bought up the tech and refused to release it ;-)

Ok city eskimoes , again we will cut down all the trees in Queens Park Toronto and carve HIDA pollz if we wanna . The wine is OURZ on our rez and OURZ ONLY buddy and no KEYZ for ritchie anymore and we are busy in the native Marines with new technologies so expect shutdowns at ALL post in Canada from time to time .

Quit whining and pay your taxes citizen .