Originally posted by weeman
ok so have someone put an object on a table or something without you knowing what it is, then do an obe and look for it then check if you were right
Well, let's try to think through this logically... and maybe we could get some clue as to what an OBE may be.. but only a CLUE.
When someone puts an object on a table at a remote location from me, what is the limit to how many possible different objects he can place? Well,
let's say even 2 identical objects (like 2 chairs) are counted as 2 different objects, because their atomic composition may not be identical (most
likely is not). Therefore, how many combinations of ATOMS can one create and then place on this table? Would seem to be limited by the SIZE of the
object and the size of the table. Well, let's expand this idea and say that there are INFINITE possibilities as to what object one can place on the
table... there are absolutely NO LIMITS as to what this person can put on a table at a remote location, just to make the "guess" hard for me.
Well now, if I was doing to guess, it seems like my chances of getting it right are 1 out of Infinity, in other words NONE. Any number, when divided
by infinity, provides a LIMIT that approaches 0 (in calculus terms). In more every-day language, when you divide a Numerator by a Denomenator (in 1/3,
1 is the numerator, 3 is the denominator), then the BIGGER the denomenator is, the closer the answer gets to 0.
Therefore, if the Denominator is INFINITY (which is NOT a number, but really a theoretical quantity.. as it can never be reached), then the answer
will come INFINITELY CLOSE to 0, which is really 0.
Now, how would I KNOW what the person placed on this table? It seems that one needs to first consider how do we EXIST in this "focus point" and
experience this reality, out of INFINITY of realities, to perhaps get a clue. What I mean is, why is it that out of ALL POSSIBLE REALITIES
(infinitey.. no limit to possibilities) are we experiencing THIS particular one. Could THIS reality somehow be identified, located, and ACCESSED from
the pool of infinity? Apparently if we EXIST IN IT, we accessed it - otherwise how would we reside in it?
The access of THIS particular situation in the NOW (current reality) may involve consciousness, and in fact, does - if one can grasp the idea of what
constitutes any given "reality" in the first place. This is extremely difficult to understand, and even more difficult to explain, as our minds are
linear, and our awareness is very limited and "stunted" so to speak. Well, we're somehow in THIS reality, out of infinity of possible potential
realities. If there is any way to ACCESS this reailty again, you might extend your consciousness to any "location" within this reality.
Now, how would one access this reailty. Well, when you IMAGINE something in your mind, do you not access a possible reality? Is your DREAM not a
possible reality? Well, perhaps consciousness (imagination, the mind) is what not only CREATES the reality, but it also is the way to access it by
identifying it with all the parameters that constitute this reality. As you do that, your consciousness transfers you to THAT particular reality, the
one you imagined, or in other words, accessed.
So, if one can manage to "lock on" to THIS reality (and time in this case is irrelavant, we're on ZERO TIME as we do this), we can then "save it"
and later mentally return to it (memory). Space, when seen from proper perspective (higher awareness than our current one) doesn't exist any more
than time. You can see this by looking at SPEED and how one determines it: Speed = Distance / Time. Once you are able to manipulate TIME, or "your
focus-point progression through any given reality", one can infinitely increase one's speed. When time approaches 0, your speed approaches infinity,
and this effectively REMOVES any distances - they cease to exist.
To wrap this up, if one can learn to expand one's AWARENESS to see BEYOND what our current senses experience - which means to zoom out from our focus
point, we can simultaneously perceive both, space, time, and "potential realities" and are able to pick and choose WHICH we want MANIFESTED. This is
called "variability of physicality" and we will most likely not understand the concept until 4th density is reached - and THAT is also opening up a
can of worms that I cannot really PROVE to you just yet.
However, you can use an analogy of a DVD movie, and the fact that all 2 hours of it are located on ONE DVD simultaneously. It's when we "insert the
disk" and focus on any particular focus-point in the reality of this movie, does the perception of "time flow" manifest itself. In this way, we can
KNOW or SEE what's in any other SPACE or TIME in this DVD movie simply by looking at EVERY SINGLE FRAME at the same time. Sorry to do this to a
linear mind, but believe me, there's no easy way to explain it.
In fact, what I said above may make little or NO sense to anybody at all, as 4th density concepts are EXTREMELY COMPLICATED for our minds. This is
like explaining algebra to a dog - it is nearly impossible, and most likely ENTIRELY impossible. I do not claim to UNDERSTAND a lot of this as much as
it may appear, I simply spend a lot of time THINKING about these concepts, running them through my mind, and applying them to concepts that I DO
understand to try to squeeze something with the complexity of an ocean into a glass of water. It's the best I can do in this existance, at this time.
Edit: Ah yes, so about the OBE. The concept, as far as I understand it, is like this:
1. You access a higher level of awareness by tapping into your subconscience, which is linked and really consists of EVERYTHING that exists (cannot
prove that yet, sorry).
2. You locate our CURRENT reality out of the infinite pool of all that exists, like a specific ripple from an OCEAN of intertwining ripples.
3. You FOCUS on this reality, and in turn, it manifests itself.
4. Because you're not bound by any space/time, you also FOCUS on the "location" that your buddy put a thing on a table.
5. You translate your perception of your "buddy", the "thing he put there", and the "table" into terms that your mind can understand - into
VISION, SOUND, etc... senses and concepts that your human mind can understand.
6. You place that TRANSLATED VERSION into the memory of your mind, and you basically put yourself OUT of the "trance state" and shut off the direct
link to your subconscience.
7. When you come out of the "trance-like state", or even sleep, you access your memory (well just remember) and you now suddenly remember what you
SAW on your friend's table.
All that is just a complicated process that TRANSLATES into what appears much simpler to us... our "ethereal body pops out, hauls its azz over to
your buddy, checks out the table, returns, pops back in, and we snap outta it".
However, the process *MAY* be far more complicated and involved, as what I just described about the ethereal body is simply our PERCEPTION of what
happens. What I described earlier may be somewhere AROUND what COULD possibly be REALLY happening, although this TOO is a condensed and truncated
version to suit our understanding.
I hope this helped :\
[Edited on 19-3-2004 by lilblam]