Do christians make it up as they go along?

Yes, Christians do make it up as they go along. The God from the Old Testament is very different than the God from the New Testament. God also states he is the same yesterday, today, and forever. How can this be? Either God is an adept lier, or else man has made God in his image.

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some christians make it up as they go like John Hagee and his band of sheep

Thou shalt not Kill
where is is the Christians in the American army nil nada none

reply to post by Lilitu


Great post, I'm still laughing . I couldn't have said it any better myself. Unfortunately, this is just something else Christians tend to shrug aside. Ah well, with all that shrugging, at least we know they have well toned shoulders. Ba-dum Tish!

reply to post by moocowman

I would be interested to hear from christians why they chose to dissobey their god and not kill like they are ordered to .

Christians follow Jesus Christ, hence the term CHRISTians.

I've never read where Jesus Christ told us to kill people, just the opposite:

"Love your neighbor as yourself"
"Turn the other cheek"
"Pray for your enemies"
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

Can you point to a verse from Jesus Christ's mouth telling his followers to kill people?

I've never read one.

Jesus Christ:

"And He said to him, 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' 38 This is the great and foremost commandment. 39 The second is like it, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."
-- Jesus, in Matthew 22:37-40

Apostle Paul:

"If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.", "Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath day -- things that are a mere shadow of what is to come", and "For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under Law but under grace".

reply to post by NOTurTypical

I've never read where Jesus Christ told us to kill people, just the opposite:

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Numbers 31:14-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

Numbers 31:7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10
And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God,

John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Deuteronomy 22:13-21 If any man take a wife, ---Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you

Leviticus 20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them

Leviticus 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Leviticus 20:11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.Leviticus 20:12 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.
Leviticus
20:15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.Leviticus 20:16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them

Deuteronomy 7:2 And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them

But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

Second Kings 2:23-24
And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.


Leviticus 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death

Leviticus 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Isaiah 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict

reply to post by NOTurTypical


OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE COMPLETETLY IGNORANT OF YOUR OWN HOLY ORDERS THEN,

anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Numbers 31:14-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

Numbers 31:7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10
And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God,

John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Deuteronomy 22:13-21 If any man take a wife, ---Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you

Leviticus 20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them

Leviticus 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Leviticus 20:11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.Leviticus 20:12 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.
Leviticus
20:15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.Leviticus 20:16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them

Deuteronomy 7:2 And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them

But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

Second Kings 2:23-24
And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.


Leviticus 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death

Leviticus 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Isaiah 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers

reply to post by moocowman
The only thing you are ignorant to is the meaning of a "New Covenant" or "New Testament".

Jews under the "old Testament" or "Old Covenant" are required to do so.

When God came to Earth, he made a new covenant, "New Testament".

Use a dictionary sometime, they are still useful.

I just posted verses from Jesus Christ himself, and the Apostle Paul that state we are now under grace, not the Law.

I know this is impossible for you to fathom, but it is a fact, Christians follow the teachings of Christ.

Words mean something bro.

reply to post by moocowman
You are presenting your case with a logical fallacy. Notice all but one of your verses you cite are from the Old Testament. Look above.

"Onesidedness"

A one-sided case presents only evidence favoring its conclusion, and ignores or downplays the evidence against it. In inductive reasoning, it is important to consider all of the available evidence before coming to a conclusion.

www.fallacyfiles.org...

In order for you to present your argument as fact, you must ignore all of the verses from Christ, and all the verses from the New Testament (New Covenant) that consistently say that Christians are under grace, no longer the law.

Originally posted by Essan
Whilst one might argue YHWH is schizophrenic, he did specifically say in the laws he passed down to Moses:

Thou Shallt Not Kill

Common misconception... it should read "thou shall not murder". God expressly allows capital punishment.

NOTurTypical has thoroughly debunked the ignorant premise of this thread. The laws of the Torah were for the Jews only and have been replaced by the new Covenant. A minimal amount of research would have established that fact. The OP is just a bigot anti Christian.

Logic Free Zone

[edit on 8/3/2008 by Bigwhammy]

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by moocowman

 

The only thing you are ignorant to is the meaning of a "New Covenant" or "New Testament".

Jews under the "old Testament" or "Old Covenant" are required to do so.

When God came to Earth, he made a new covenant, "New Testament".

Use a dictionary sometime, they are still useful.

I just posted verses from Jesus Christ himself, and the Apostle Paul that state we are now under grace, not the Law.

I know this is impossible for you to fathom, but it is a fact, Christians follow the teachings of Christ.

Words mean something bro.


So why did your god contradict himself bro?" What is the dictionary definition of smallest ? or Part?

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." Luke 16:17

Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets." Jesus, Matthew 5:17

Yes its difficult for most non christians to follow as there are NO facts and much contradiction!

The word FACT does appear in the dictionary

The creator of the universe made a laws and changed its mind about some of them ?

" Christians of the earth, remember when I told you to kill gay people etc? Well dont do it anymore their still an abomination but I will kill them myself coz you guys have got such a bad name from the millions you've allready killed and tortured for me"

The OP is just a bigot anti Christian.

reply to post by Bigwhammy


Lets take a look at bigotry and such shall we ?

How to treat a child of on of your wives that you hate

Deuteronomy 21:15 If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.


how a good christian should take care of his slaves

NRSV) First Corinthians 7:20-21 Let each of you remain in the condition in which you were called. Were you a slave when called? Do not be concerned about it(NRSV) Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as you obey Christ; not only while being watched, and in order to please them, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. Render service with enthusiasm, as to the Lord and not to men and women, knowing that whatever good we do, we will receive the same again from the Lord, whether we are slaves or freeNRSV) Colossians 3:22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything, not only while being watched and in order to please them, but wholeheartedly, fearing the Lord(NRSV) Titus 2:9-10 Tell slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to talk back, not to pilfer, but to show complete and perfect fidelity, so that in everything they may be an ornament to the doctrine of God our savior

How to rape your sex slave, according to Jesus

(NRSV) Deuteronomy 21:11-14 Suppose you see among the captives a beautiful woman whom you desire and want to marry, and so you bring her home to your house; she shall shave her head, pare her nails, discard her captive’s garb, and shall remain in your house for a full month, mourning for her father and mother; after that you may go into her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife. But if you are not satisfied with her, you shall let her go free and not sell her for money. You must not treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored he


The Jesus Christ slavery operation manual

Luke 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripesNRSV) First Timothy 6:1-6 Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be blasphemed. Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful to them on the ground that they are members of the church; rather they must serve them all the more, since those who benefit by their service are believers and beloved. Teach and urge these duties. Whoever teaches otherwise and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that is in accordance with godliness, is conceited, understanding nothing, and has a morbid craving for controversy, and for disputes about words. From these come envy, dissension, slander, base suspicions, and wrangling among those who are depraved in mind and bereft of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain. Of course, there is great gain in godliness combined with contentment

And how about cgristian family values?
Matthew 10:34-36 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household

Thou shalt not kill/murder - thats why moses decides to wipe out a load of people for worshiping a golden calf and god then decides to hit them with a plague. NICE

God is not evil - why does god decide to send two she-bears to kill 42 boys for slagging off Elisha for being bald (II Kings 2:23-24) - a bit harsh wouldn't you say?



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Originally posted by moocowman

The OP is just a bigot anti Christian.

reply to post by Bigwhammy

 

Lets take a look at bigotry and such shall we ?

How to treat a child of on of your wives that you hate

Deuteronomy 21:15 If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.

How do you see that as bad?
Let's say YOU had two wives and hated one that was older or uglier, or both.
You might mistreat her children.
This is G-ds way to provide help for the scorned woman!
In that day and age, it was a GIANT exception in the tyranny against women!

how a good christian should take care of his slaves

NRSV) First Corinthians 7:20-21 Let each of you remain in the condition in which you were called. Were you a slave when called? Do not be concerned about it(NRSV) Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as you obey Christ; not only while being watched, and in order to please them, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. Render service with enthusiasm, as to the Lord and not to men and women, knowing that whatever good we do, we will receive the same again from the Lord, whether we are slaves or freeNRSV) Colossians 3:22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything, not only while being watched and in order to please them, but wholeheartedly, fearing the Lord(NRSV) Titus 2:9-10 Tell slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to talk back, not to pilfer, but to show complete and perfect fidelity, so that in everything they may be an ornament to the doctrine of God our savior

You forgot to put the commandments concerning the slaveholders part of the bargain,
such as NO mistreatment of LAWFUL slaves and EVERY one should be let loose
after 7 years.

How to rape your sex slave, according to Jesus

(NRSV) Deuteronomy 21:11-14 Suppose you see among the captives a beautiful woman whom you desire and want to marry, and so you bring her home to your house; she shall shave her head, pare her nails, discard her captive’s garb, and shall remain in your house for a full month, mourning for her father and mother; after that you may go into her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife. But if you are not satisfied with her, you shall let her go free and not sell her for money. You must not treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored he

Not sex slave; Wife. If she was incompatible to him, they could then set her free.
Oh, the horror!
The cultures that the Israelites dealt with were EXTREMELY backwards.

The Jesus Christ slavery operation manual

Luke 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripesNRSV)

That is talking about G-ds servants, not human servants.
Us Christians!

First Timothy 6:1-6 Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be blasphemed. Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful to them on the ground that they are members of the church; rather they must serve them all the more, since those who benefit by their service are believers and beloved. Teach and urge these duties. Whoever teaches otherwise and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that is in accordance with godliness, is conceited, understanding nothing, and has a morbid craving for controversy, and for disputes about words. From these come envy, dissension, slander, base suspicions, and wrangling among those who are depraved in mind and bereft of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain. Of course, there is great gain in godliness combined with contentment

Again you forget the requirements for masters!
It balances the burden on the slave.

BTW, for those of you who don't know, slavery was prevalent in nearly EVERY culture. Romans, Greek, etc...

And how about cgristian family values?
Matthew 10:34-36 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household

Ummm, you know that's not referring to PHYSICAL fighting, right?

reply to post by moocowman
Wow, I mean WOW.

A: First you displayed to us that you were not aware that we Christians follow Christ.

B: Next, you displayed to us that you were ignorant to the fact that a "New Testament" means a "New Covenant."

C: Next I pointed to explicit texts from the New Testament with quotes from Jesus Christ to the Apostle Paul stating that after the death of Christ we were no longer under the law, but under the grace of God.

D: Next, I pointed out you are using a logical fallacy to support your ideas about Christianity.

E: Next, you went right back to your original argument ad nauseam style, as if the second time around it would pass over as a sound argument.

Unreal bro. Christians are NOT UNDER THE LAW. The law died for Christians when Christ gave his life on the cross. Christians follow JESUS CHRIST, not the law.

1. The apostle Paul, a Jew said, "I MYSELF AM NOT UNDER THE LAW" (1 Cor. 9:20).

2. "ALL WHO RELY ON OBSERVING THE LAW ARE UNDER A CURSE" (Gal. 3:10).

3. "CHRIST REDEEMED US FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW" (Gal. 3:13).

4. "NOW THAT FAITH HAS COME, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW" (Gal. 3:25).

5. "YOU HAVE BEEN SEVERED FROM CHRIST, YOU WHO ARE SEEKING TO BE JUSTIFIED BY LAW; YOU HAVE FALLEN FROM GRACE" (Gal. 5:4).

6. "IF YOU ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT YOU ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW" (Gal. 5:18).

7. "WHATEVER THE LAW SAYS, IT SPEAKS TO THOSE WHO ARE UNDER THE LAW (Jews who are not born again)" (Rom. 3:19).

8. "THOSE WHO ARE CIRCUMCISED [JEWS] DO NOT EVEN KEEP THE LAW THEMSELVES" (Gal. 6:11).

9. "IF RIGHTEOUSNESS COULD BE GAINED THROUGH [KEEPING] THE LAW, CHRIST DIED FOR NOTHING!" (Gal. 2:21).

10. "GENTLES...DO NOT HAVE THE LAW...THEY DO NOT HAVE THE LAW" (Rom. 2:14) (Gentiles never have and never will have the Law.)

11. "NO ONE WILL BE DECLARED RIGHTEOUS IN HIS [GOD'S] SIGHT BY OBSERVING THE LAW" (Rom. 3:20).

12. "SIN SHALL NOT BE YOUR MASTER, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT UNDER LAW, BUT UNDER GRACE" (Rom. 6:14).

13. "WE HAVE BEEN RELEASED FROM THE LAW SO THAT WE SERVE IN THE NEW WAY OF THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE OLD WAY OF THE WRITTEN CODE" (Rom. 7:6).

14. "CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW ... FOR EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES" (Rom. 10:4).

15. THE LAW IS "THE MINISTRY OF DEATH...[AND] CONDEMNATION" (2 Cor. 3:7 & 9).



Many Christians are not clear concerning what our relationship to the Old Testament should be. This causes error in doctrine and practical Christianity in many areas of our lives. Our calling as Christians is much higher than that of the Old Testament saints. We are living under the New Covenant which demands a higher degree of holiness.

here

Do you understand yet? Or are you going to post more verses from the first covenant?

What Jesus said is true, the law was never abolished, He just told us that once He died we no longer needed to follow it for salvation, we then had to accept His death as atonement for our sins.

I truly hope you get it, and please if you respond, realize if you use another fallacy of logic I'll probably not respond.

heck, Google search the information for yourself if you don't want to trust me. Search "Are Christians under the Law of Moses."

Take a look at the first verse up there, the Apostle Paul even says he is freed from the law, he is a Jew.

reply to post by NOTurTypical



No dude I still don't understand yet, unfortunately.

Lets recap a little shall we ?

Here I am your average bloke supposedly created by the jewish god of many names.

I am bombarded throughout my life by people of various religions telling me that, should I not believe what they believe that I will be condemned to an eternety or torture etc.

When I ask these people what they believe they dump a bible in my hands telling me that it was written by the creator of the universes and everything in them, a creator god of love and peace all knowing and wise.

When I read these bibles (as there are many versions) all slightly different to each other I find them full of the killing bigotry etc by their creator .

As I find this a difficult concept to follow, IE that my creator should be such a blood thirsty mysoginistic tyrant, that would make me ashamed if I acted in its manner It would be only natural of me to get to truth of who wrote these bibles.

We have to bare in mind that I am not the one making any claims of anything, however should I indeed have an imortal soul in jeopordy it is only prudent to deterimine within reasonable doubt the veracity of the claims made by religionists and their bible.


As yet I am to find no evidence whatsoever that the God Jesus ever existed outside of the gospels, which were written well after this alledged god was supposed to have existed.

I am now being told that the laws of the Torah do not apply to christians, which is rather strange in that it makes up a large chunk of their bible.

My ears as a (for want of a better description) potential convert prick up, after all the laws of the old testament take one hell of a lot of reading, which is a pointless excercise when the Jesus god changes his mind about them making them redudant.

So what I am left with thus far in this particular religion is, that allthough these books are supposed to be written by god, there are so many versions reprints editorial changes and no evidence of historical reality of Jesus god and the greater part of the books no longer apply.

Hm ? So far I am not convinced, something is not quite right here a person or persons has changed the word of god. My eternal soul is on the line here and somone has changed the only access to to the truth !!!

What am I to do who am I to believe ? Which bible is the real one ?

Ah I know, lets see if I can find the original bible written by gods hand and unedited or changed etc.
Problem, the bible's a few books compiled together, so the starting point should be the oldest which would obviously be the torah. Oh dear much of the Torah is made up of the old laws which no longer apply so not much point in going any futher with that then.

The next stop (the remainder) is obviously the gospels, my word this is getting difficult, where do I find an original unaltered copy of the gospels?

This is not easy dude, however given the tyranical barbaric nature of this god that I've learned about thus far , it would appear that to take care of my soul and live a peaceful life the jesus god wants it to be really difficult for people to access him.

Next stop - to find an unaltered original copy of the gospels the (new) word of god I wonder who has them? The catholics ? The pentecostals ? The baptists?

To be continude -------

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Good explanation there!! I guess all those verses quoted sums it all up.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Many Christians are not clear concerning what our relationship to the Old Testament should be. This causes error in doctrine and practical Christianity in many areas of our lives. Our calling as Christians is much higher than that of the Old Testament saints. We are living under the New Covenant which demands a higher degree of holiness.

So you consider yourself holier than lets say moses for example? A rather conceited frame of mind isnt it, perhaps this is why christians stand on their soap boxes trying to dictate to all how to live their lives.

So jesus' instructions to you via paul via someone else via someone else and so on via the gospals then somone else then the reworked gospels and someone else and so on, was that you are holier than all the prophets of the torah? And not only that but above their law, which according to your own gospels the jesus god expressely says he heas not changed.



ERROR in doctrine , you mean to say the word of god is in error? Have you informed all the other christians that you are clear (not affiliated with the scientologists are you?) and they are not, and that they should come to you for clarity, and to learn of the errors in your gods doctrine.

Are you the pope? or are you holier than the pope aswell?

What has the pope to say about being gay? Oh thats right it's still an abomination (as instructed in the old law) we just dont stone them to death anymore, because uh well that was the old law, well part of the old law, never mind lets sing a hymn and think about being tortured in hell for even thinking about an error in the bible

Ummm, you know that's not referring to PHYSICAL fighting, right?

reply to post by Clearskies



Not physical ?

A bit like if I am a christian and my son informs me he's gay, I'm no longer required to put him to death, just know that the way he was created is an abomination to his creator and therefore me. But I could take solice in the fact that should he not say sorry to the jesus god and stop being gay that he will be tortured for eternity? Well that saves a whole lot of stoning and frees my concience a little.

Interestingly enough, if the laws of the old testament are no longer relevant why are christians making such a fuss about creationism being taught in school. Surely as the torah is only relevent to the jews then it is they who should be making a noise about the old laws.

Would you agree or disagree that as there are so many religions and varieties of christianity claiming theirs is the true god with absolutely no way of proving their case with evidence other than their OWN scriptures, that in no way should any form of religion be taught in a public school ?

If you disagree could you kindly prove that your religion or particular branch of a religion is confered to you by god directly, without using the bibles as these have been edited by men, and would only constitute hearsay unless an individual scribe or editor could be historically validated and he could support hi fantastical claim.

God is a chicken

Proof:

Psalms 9:4

He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust

But please...everyone continue quoting scriptures without understanding or insight into what is being said. Hand picking choice scriptures doesn't accomplish anything.

I read in the Mayo Clinic health book that you sometimes have to amputate the leg at the knee, but that doesn't mean you would perform that operation if you had a blister on your finger. Context and understanding goes a long way towards determining what's actually being said.