Originally posted by IAPremed
Why not believe in God?
I have asked this question for years, however not for the same reason as you.
Unbelievers, or those who are apathetic towards God, are always demanding that other people prove to them that there is a God or a spritsail reality
First you need to understand that religion, that is to say religion as a system of worship, is a form of unbelief in and of itself, it is a denial of
the power of God.
Religious systems breed apathy in peoples hearts towards God and the things of God.
All religion begins as a true moment of God.
God confirms his presence and participation in the movement by signs, miracles, and wonders.
Signs, miracles, and wonders, are real physical evidence that can be examined by anyone who chooses to look.
As things progress with genuine movements of God, men without a conscious, individuals who Jesus called the children of the devil, who see all forms
of government, and view the acquisition of power and authority over others, as a sort of personal stamp of approval by God of their beliefs, they
don't seek to know the truth for authority to act, as honest people do, they act to seek authority as truth.
These individuals are self righteous and feel a sense of personal confirmation when they acquire positions and authority over others, it is their way
of thinking that God approves of them, and that they are right to sacrifice their integrity to be in charge, to feel they are in control, they are
deceived by their love for power and the material substance of the universe, and so as a consequence they deceive others.
These men of baser nature are fully persuaded that the ends justify the means, and they rise to positions of control in every form of government that
presents opportunity, whether secular or religious, knowing only the way of the world, serving the creature instead of the creator.
In the bible believers are exhorted not to even pray for such men, they are beyond our help.
Why believe in God is the question, not why believe in religion, therefore there must be a separation in understanding between God if He exists in
reality, and religion.
If God exists in reality then believing that fact is in no way religious, anymore than if bigfoot exists in reality, your believing in that fact,
could be religious.
God is creator of all, religion is mans attempt to govern the worship of others, to bring others into subjection and under the control of your own
system of worship, whether it be in pretense or in truth.
If your religion is true, that knowledge alone should be enough for you, because God knows and you know your heart, that it is true, and God will
If a creator exists then He has no religion and is no respecter of persons, He simply is..
The next point that needs to be addressed is the separation between what is known and what can be believed.
If God exists in reality, and He resides in a greater reality which engulfs all of our four dimensions of space time, then it is literally impossible
for any human being, at a certain level of consciousness, not to be aware of that fact.
If a persons says, they do not know there is a creator, that person is a liar; this statement is either the truth or it is not.
At some point, if you are self aware, you are enlightened to the existence of a creator, you know that God does indeed exist, it is literally
impossible for anyone not to know.
This is the reason that the bible declares that all are without excuse.
For illustration of my point, here is some of Romans chapter one, it is fractional and expanded.
Begin: Romans 1: 19 - 22 fractional, expanded
This is so because it is exhibited in them by God that He is, made clear to their minds by revelation knowledge and experience, for God hath
manifested His existence unto them.
For from the first making of the world, those things of God which the eye is unable to see, that is, His eternal power and existence, are fully made
clear, God Himself having given the knowledge of them, to the things which He has made, so that men are without excuse.
For although they knew God, yet they did not glorify Him as God, they did not give Him His due place and thank Him for making the truth known, so that
they might further be enlightened and gain wisdom to their knowledge, but they turned their thoughts to folly, and their heart, without understanding
that comes from having light to see, became darkened:
To please themselves they professed in themselves to be wise and so they became fools,
To be aware makes it literally impossible not to know of the existence of God.
All who say they don't know if God exists are liars, this is either the truth or it is not.
If an atheist says he does not believe in God he is speaking the truth, albeit self serving, it is still the truth.
But when an atheist says he doesn't know if there is a God or creator he is lying, because God has made it impossible for people not to know, but He
has however made it possible for us not to believe.
A person may not believe in the existence of a creator, but he is absolutely aware that a creator exists.
This is a very important point that people tend to overlook, but it places a believer in a unique position if it is believed, a position of certitude
regarding the existence of a creator, so much so that if a person attempts to deny knowledge of a creator you can call upon God to confirm His
existence and presence for the sake of His word and not fear, God is with you.
God honors his word when it is believed, we do not defend the truth it has its own defense, it is up to God to see that it never fails, it is His word
This then brings me to my final point, you asked the question why not believe God?
You asked for the sake of a logical argument.
What does anyone of us have to lose by believing in God?
We can only gain if He is real, and we have nothing to lose if He does not exist.
I have asked the same question, but rather I ask instead, for the sake of proof and evidence of the existence of God.
People seem to think that God and the things of God can not be proven.
I call it playing, "the prove it game."
God can manifest Himself in definable measurable ways, and He directly and specifically charges, those who claim status as believers in Him, to prove
all things spiritual.
If a person is sincere in their desire to see evidence of the things of God, then all that is required, is that they believe to manifest spiritual
power for themselves.
There a nine ways the gift of God is exhibited, and they are definable and measurable.
Of course to an onlooker, standing outside of belief in God, seeing a miracle performed, or a healing, will not necessarily serve as evidence of
For instance take the miracle of Jesus walking on the water.
Anyone seeing that miracle could dismiss it in their own minds by simply saying to themselves, it is a magic trick, or he is using some scientific
means to freeze the water so he can walk on it.
But to Jesus who was performing the miracle, he knew exactly how it was being accomplished.
Jesus would have known while he was doing the miracle, that it was not being achieved through the use of science, and he also would have known that he
was not performing a magic trick.
God gives to all who ask the ability to manifest miraculous power, in the same manner Jesus exhibited the power of God, the only requirement is that
To the individual performing an operation of miraculous power, the exhibition itself serves for that individual as evidence that God is with them and
in them, not only that, but it is sufficient evidence as to qualify as proof for the individual performing the feat, because that individual knows how
the manifestation is being accomplished.
So my question, "why not believe in God," when I ask it, is directed at those individuals who say prove it all the time.
If you truly want proof of the existence of the spiritual then why not believe in God, because it is absolutely available to have your proof.
All that is required for anyone to prove the things of God is that they believe in God and learn to manifest His gift of holy spirit.
If you claimed to want proof of the existence of gravity, and all that was required was that you believe what I tell you to do, and then do it,
wouldn't you do it if you were sincere in your demand for proof?
Of course you would, if proof is indeed what you truly want.
Why not do likewise with God?
If a person is honest in his request for evidence, and all that is required is that they believe in God and manifest His gift of holy spirit, then why
not believe in Him and have your proof?
If you want to see proof of the existence of God in truth, then why not believe in Him?
God wants us to have all the proof we need, real physical evidence in the form of operations of supernatural miraculous power.
God is more willing and able, to provide us with proof and evidence, than we are willing to believe.
[edit on 21-7-2008 by newday]