Marines who killed civilians in Haditha go free...Haditha victims' kin outraged

HADITHA, Iraq — Khadija Hassan still shrouds her body in black, nearly three years after the deaths of her four sons. They were killed on Nov. 19, 2005, along with 20 other people in the deadliest documented case of U.S. troops killing civilians since the Vietnam War.

Eight Marines were charged in the case, but in the intervening years, criminal charges have been dismissed against six. A seventh Marine was acquitted. The residents of Haditha, after being told they could depend on U.S. justice, feel betrayed.

"We put our hopes in the law and in the courts and one after another they are found innocent," said Yousef Aid Ahmed, the lone surviving brother in the family. "This is an organized crime."
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and people talk as if USA tries its soldiers for crimes against humanity .
this case is sufficient to prove thAT USA is not just nation and is dedicated to its imperialistc and genocidal ambitions in Iraq

These men are guilty of war crimes, whether they are convicted or not. Of course ultimate responsibility rests with the said individuals, but the environment and attitudes condoned- or rather, fostered- under the current administration could be said to have an influence on their choice in actions. And it is definitely the current administration that is responsible for the dismissal of what are clearly war crimes.

Originally posted by manson_322


These men are guilty of war crimes, whether they are convicted or not.

Do you feel the same way about the detainees at Club Gitmo?

I will anxiously be waiting for your response.

Originally posted by RRconservative

Originally posted by manson_322


These men are guilty of war crimes, whether they are convicted or not.

Do you feel the same way about the detainees at Club Gitmo?

I will anxiously be waiting for your response.

Gitmo facility interrogation methods and torture techniques are against Geneva conventions and thereby US war crimes against humanity

Originally posted by manson_322

Gitmo facility interrogation methods and torture techniques are against Geneva conventions and thereby US war crimes against humanity

What interrogation methods are you talking about? Torture is not used by the USA so I have no idea what you are talking about there.

What country is representing the detainees, and when did they sign the Geneva convention? Has that particular country filed some sort of protest?

And finally once again...are the detainees "guilty of war cimes, whether they are convicted or not."

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torture not used by USA ?? lol the biggest load of BS i ever read

The US has used torture for decades. All that's new is the openness about it

By ignoring past abuses, opponents of torture are in danger of pushing it back into the shadows instead of abolishing it

* Naomi Klein
* The Guardian,
* Saturday December 10, 2005
* Article history

It was the "Mission Accomplished" of George Bush's second term, and an announcement of that magnitude called for a suitably dramatic location. But what was the right backdrop for the infamous "We do not torture" declaration? With characteristic audacity, the Bush team settled on downtown Panama City.

It was certainly bold. An hour and a half's drive from where Bush stood, the US military ran the notorious School of the Americas from 1946 to 1984, a sinister educational institution that, if it had a motto, might have been "We do torture". It is here in Panama, and later at the school's new location in Fort Benning, Georgia, where the roots of the current torture scandals can be found.

According to declassified training manuals, SOA students - military and police officers from across the hemisphere - were instructed in many of the same "coercive interrogation" techniques that have since gone to Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib: early morning capture to maximise shock, immediate hooding and blindfolding, forced nudity, sensory deprivation, sensory overload, sleep and food "manipulation", humiliation, extreme temperatures, isolation, stress positions - and worse. In 1996 President Clinton's Intelligence Oversight Board admitted that US-produced training materials condoned "execution of guerrillas, extortion, physical abuse, coercion and false imprisonment".
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This creeping sickness

So now we know: torture is routinely used by the US in Guantánamo Bay

* Ken Coates
* The Guardian,
* Saturday March 13, 2004
* Article history

Truly we live in dark times. A sure sign that the nights are getting longer, even as springtime approaches, comes from the intensity of anxieties about torture. All the time there are reports of new atrocities - in Sudan, among British victims in Saudi Arabia, and of course in the war on terror. Later this month in Geneva, the World Organisation Against Torture will tell the UN Commission on Human Rights that "since the attacks of September 11, numerous states have adopted or announced measures that are incompatible with their obligations under international law". At the same time that we face new atrocities in Madrid, we hear the voices of the first Britons released from Guantánamo Bay where, according to former detainee Jamal al-Harith, they endured a regime of unremitting cruelty.

He describes systematic humiliation, clearly aimed at corroding the humanity of the victims, and which included exposing devout Muslims to insult by prostitutes.
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the detainees are not guilty of being terrorists until the US govt can provide evidence of them being terrorists and clearly , US govt is commiting war crimes

Originally posted by manson_322

the detainees are not guilty of being terrorists until the US govt can provide evidence of them being terrorists and clearly , US govt is commiting war crimes

But the government provided evidence that the Haditha soldiers were not guilty. Yet you still say they are guilty.

How much of double standard is that?

Originally posted by RRconservative

Originally posted by manson_322

the detainees are not guilty of being terrorists until the US govt can provide evidence of them being terrorists and clearly , US govt is commiting war crimes

How much of double standard is that?

wheres the proof ... what about witness testimonies of killing ???

double standards ..